The Donald J. Orangeman Possible Future Legal Trouble Thread

I hardly think Mick is particularly anti-US. He’s critical of US political systems, as I am from the other side of the house. This is not the US politics fan page. Although to be fair it’s been one hell of a show. :joy:

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Well, they are cockroaches, that’s what they do, run when the light is shining.

Before Trump, it looked like non-darkness, relative to Trump at least, when darkness came they happily jump in the room, light comes again, it’s Trump who?

If you’re having trouble following me on these boards, I dunno what to tell you, other than my usual spiel about I’m fine letting my record speak for itself.

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I’m curious to see what Trump left himself exposed to after not getting himself pardoned by Pence.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/23/george-conway-hands-bidens-doj-a-roadmap-to-make-sure-trump-ends-up-in-jail/

“With Trump, there’s so much to investigate criminally that one special counsel can’t do it all,” wrote Conway. “Could you imagine one prosecutor in charge of addressing Trump’s finances and taxes, his hush-money payments, obstruction of the Mueller investigation, the Ukraine scandal, and post-election misconduct, for starters? It would be an impossible task for one team. One special counsel’s office couldn’t do it all, not in any reasonable amount of time, and it’s important for prosecutors to finish their work as quickly as possible. Three or four special counsels are needed. Under the regulations, each would be accountable to the attorney general.”

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I hope this means he’s going to represent himself :pray:

CBS News: Trump attorneys leave legal team, less than 2 weeks before impeachment trial.

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GA update:

The Georgia secretary of state’s office has launched an investigation into Trump’s notorious call to local election officials in early January, during which Trump pressured them to help reverse his defeat.

The probe presents the absurd vision of the Georgia secretary of state investigating a phone call to … the Georgia secretary of state. But the formal launch of an investigation is also potentially very bad news for Trump: It brings the matter one step closer to the local criminal prosecutor’s office.

Investigators’ findings will be presented to the state’s election board, which will then decide whether to formally refer the matter to the local district attorney’s office or the state attorney general’s office for potential prosecution.

“All I want to do is this,” Trump told Raffensperger. “I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state.”

Legal analysts have pointed to a state law against knowingly soliciting election fraud, saying Trump may have crossed the line

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Something that could be really interesting with the GA investigation, is all of Trump’s other contacts with other officials around the country to try and massage them to change election stuff.

Maybe it didn’t happen in GA, but his actions toward other officials no doubt could be used as evidence in establishing motive/intent for the GA call.

Not that they should need it, him begging to be gifted an exact amount of votes. :sweat_smile:

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The district attorney’s office has said little publicly about the probe, but noted in court filings that it was focused on “possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct” at the Trump Organization, including alleged falsification of records, and insurance and tax fraud. It is the only known criminal inquiry into Trump’s business practices.

Separately, New York state Attorney General Letitia James is leading a civil probe into whether Trump’s company falsely reported property values to secure loans and obtain economic and tax benefits.

Ladder issued the loans on several of Trump’s big commercial holdings, including a $160 million mortgage on the Trump Building, a skyscraper in Manhattan’s financial district.

Pomerantz, 69, was chief of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York from 1997 to 1999 and oversaw a successful racketeering case against former Gambino crime family boss John “Junior” Gotti.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-investigation-cohen/trumps-former-fixer-cohen-interviewed-by-manhattan-das-office-and-newly-hired-litigator-idUSKBN2AJ05R

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Wonder where the shoe will drop first, NY or GA.

The NY one is much farther along obviously though.

:popcorn:

popcorn eating

Start melting the butter!

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Trumps response.

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I don’t think it is political persecution. I think when you are the president you open yourself up to a higher level of scrutiny than the average businessman has to deal with. If he has nothing to hide, he should have nothing to fear. If he’s guilty, well, lock him up!

I’m biased, though, I look at things like Trump University and clearly see a conman.

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That’s true, he’s not the first President to be under investigation.

That’s true as well, many things can be true, but.

One would need to look at how all this got started objectively. It started from the Mueller investigation which if we are being honest wasn’t an investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election it was an attempt to go after people who were associated with Trump in order to leverage them against Trump. The predicate was the Steele dossier which was already known to be a bunch of crap.

To be clear the hit man here wasn’t so much Mueller, as we would later find out he was a figure head and not in his prime. Andrew Weissmann was the hatchet man and he not only has a history of abusive prosecutions, he is ethically corrupt. He will never be held to account for his abuse of power, but in a fair and sane world he should be.

I think we have an irreconcilable difference of opinion here

Which is fine, we may or may not discuss it elsewhere. However the NY investigation stemming from the Mueller investigation isn’t something that is disputed.

The nature of that investigation may be debated, although other facts like a FISA warrant being issued that shouldn’t have been are not disputed either. Which leads to the question just how Andrew Weissmann got the information he passed on to the NY prosecutors. But I can guess.

@Mick lol. Again with the FISA. Give it a rest.

I just heard a great commentary: you want Trump not to run ever again? Pass a law that candidates are required to make their taxes public. He’ll disappear into the night. :laughing:

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Give what a rest? Do you know what you are allowed to do with a Title I FISA warrant?

Not really, I said before and elsewhere he just stirs up too much drama.

Ok, that’s up to Americans. But guaranteed Andrew Wiessmann has seen them already. Sometimes you have to connect the dots, Wiessmann had legal access to everything, it’s my guess he already had everything on Michael Cohen before they started the Stormy Daniels non stop coverage on the news, in fact I would speculate thats exactly why the news gave 24/7 to Stormy Daniels to prime people for a raid on Cohens house and business as they built parallel construction. Which is what I suspect they are doing in NY investigation.

Pretty hilarious that the president raw dogged a porn star while his wife was recovering from childbirth, this was a sensational news story all the way never mind the associated criminal conduct*

*alleged

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