The Hidden Masonic History Behind Taiwan, Sun Yat-sen, and Early Modern China

[Andrew0409]

Looks like we will have different perspectives on Sun and that’s ok. Been interesting talking about this topic and his freemasonry roots.

[OysterOmelet]

@hansioux

And what part of SYS’ secret society and Masonic background turned him into a Communism touting Soviet lapdog?

He sure doesn’t sound like a communist in 3 principles of the people.

[hansioux]

I know we’ve been over this multiple times, and we know SYS equated parts or the entire 3 principles of the people to communism in the text called “3 principles of the people,” which was compiled from a series of speeches he gave.

Amateur Analysis of Other People's National Anthems that Gave Me Goosebumps

Sun wrote his version of the Three People’s Principles around 1906. The Bolsheviks’ October Revolution didn’t happen until 1917. I think you can say Sun was a lefty but not a Marxist when he first came up with the Three People’s Principles. Although he really only came into contact with communism until 1922, when his fell out with his warlord buddy in Guangdong and found himself without an army. By then the Soviets had won WWI, and was willing to fund and back Sun’s KMT as the main branch o…

You claimed that despite that SYS was not a Marxist because he didn’t believe in class struggle, but I don’t see any evidence of that in the text called “3 principal of the people”.

So I can only go by his own words.

[OysterOmelet]

@hansioux

I know we’ve been over this multiple times, and we know SYS equated parts or the entire 3 principles of the people to communism in the text called “3 principles of the people,” which was compiled from a series of speeches he gave.

Amateur Analysis of Other People's National Anthems that Gave Me Goosebumps - #35 by hansioux

You claimed that despite that SYS was not a Marxist because he didn’t believe in class struggle, but I don’t see any evidence of that in the text called “3 principal of the people”.

So I can only go by his own words.

You didn’t answer to the overwhelming majority of his comments’ being against Marx.

[hansioux]

Show me where he said that in the text of his 3 Principles of the People, then I can answer that. You can’t just say he is for democracy so he is anti-Marxist, as if Mao didn’t talk about how the communist party would usher in democracy before he got into power.