# The invasion of Ukraine has amplified the risk of a Chinese invasion **URL:** \ **Category:** International Politics\ **Tags:** china\_invasion\ **Created:** [February 24, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294 "2022-02-24T13:25:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DogmaticStoic](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dogmaticstoic/32/179644_2.png) [@DogmaticStoic](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DogmaticStoic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:25pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/1 "2022-02-24T13:25:04Z")
I believe that a Russian invasion may open a vacuum of power in the south China sea especially if NATO forces choose to commit to defending the Ukraine. Fighting in the Ukraine could destabilize defense of Taiwan by the west. What do you think? Could the west engaging with Russia lead to a Chinese invasion? ---
**Author:** ![teggs](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/85f322/32.png) [@teggs](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/teggs)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 1:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/2 "2022-02-24T13:57:37Z")
I think that if the West does nothing, it may give our big ugly neighbor the will it needs to force unification. ---
**Author:** ![Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Taiwan_Luthiers)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/3 "2022-02-24T14:06:25Z")
The problem is that Ukraine doesn’t really mean a whole lot to the whole world except to maybe the EU (they buy gas from Russia)… SCS on the other hand sees 30% of all maritime traffic… that’s pretty significant and the US already committed huge resource to it. ---
**Author:** ![DogmaticStoic](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dogmaticstoic/32/179644_2.png) [@DogmaticStoic](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DogmaticStoic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:27pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/4 "2022-02-24T14:27:45Z")
It is true that the south china sea is a far bigger priority based on the world’s shipping routes ---
**Author:** ![nz](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@nz](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/nz)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/5 "2022-02-24T14:33:35Z")
1. the US will not allow China to have access to the Pacific. The US has Korea, Japan, and Guam/Philippines. Give up Taiwan and the US might as well hand everything else over too 2. semiconductors. ---
**Author:** ![TT](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tt/32/271883_2.png) [@TT](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TT)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:34pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/6 "2022-02-24T14:34:18Z")
1. Japan ---
**Author:** ![Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Taiwan_Luthiers)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:39pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/7 "2022-02-24T14:39:06Z")
That and nobody cares about Ukraine, as harsh as that sounds. It’s basically some third world country that used to be a part of USSR. Basically only some Eastern European countries may be threatened, possibly Poland. SCS on the other hand affects not only Taiwan, but a bunch of countries that the world world cares about (and should) due to the amount of trade. If these countries fall, the US is finished. The other problem is, Ukraine shares a land border with Russia. So all they needed to do is drive tanks over. You can’t just drive tanks over to Taiwan unless you can drive them underwater… or get them into boats. If the boat is a big one, then it needs port facilities for offloading, which won’t happen unless the entire security force of Taiwan is dead. If the boat is small, then it won’t survive the trip because the sea will be too hostile. ---
**Author:** ![Celeborn](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/celeborn/32/26102_2.png) [@Celeborn](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Celeborn)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/8 "2022-02-24T14:41:18Z")
> [@DogmaticStoic](#): > > What do you think? Could the west engaging with Russia lead to a Chinese invasion? No. Not appropriate to compare taking over an island with difficult beach landings vs a land invasion of a neighboring country. Maybe in a few years, China’s military will have the firepower to seriously threaten an amphibious assault. The world’s reaction to Ukraine is interesting, because if it isn’t firm and quick, it will embolden China’s leaders and future leaders about Taiwan and the SCS. ![image](https://forumosauploads-12829.kxcdn.com/original/3X/1/9/195817ca701aae62e925803e4660edf707d81d7a.jpeg) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/zwiD32UzSUM/maxresdefault.jpg "China says Taiwan is 'not Ukraine'") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwiD32UzSUM) ---
**Author:** ![Trillium](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@Trillium](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Trillium)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/9 "2022-02-24T15:13:35Z")
Sigh…Ukraine is not a third world country. Such an outdated term. Ukraine is not that important to the US and they would be much more likely to defend Taiwan if it came down to that. ---
**Author:** ![the.shoemaker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the.shoemaker/32/116796_2.png) [@the.shoemaker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the.shoemaker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/10 "2022-02-24T15:23:50Z")
> **[Trump: China will 'absolutely' invade Taiwan after Olympics end | Taiwan News...](https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/4454192)** > > After Russia, ‘China is going to be next’ to invade, former US president says in interview | 2022-02-24 18:03:00 “go after” is not the same as “invade” wtf why couldn’t they just have the same headline but with instead of ‘invade’ put ‘go after’ like he said ---
**Author:** ![DogmaticStoic](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dogmaticstoic/32/179644_2.png) [@DogmaticStoic](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DogmaticStoic)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/11 "2022-02-24T15:54:36Z")
The other glaring issue is the use of bandwagoning at the end of the article. They say x amount of people say they think china will not invade if Ukraine is invaded. This is a textbook example of the logical fallacy called bandwagoning. A poll of average people in Taiwan is not relevant or accurate in assessing the danger of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. ---
**Author:** ![Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Taiwan\_Luthiers](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Taiwan_Luthiers)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 4:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/12 "2022-02-24T16:36:57Z")
The other difference is Taiwan doesn’t have restive province where there are actual paramilitary force with a different allegiance than the country. Whereas seems Ukraine has been dealing with rebels for years before this. There may be pro China people but they aren’t in armed rebellion. ---
**Author:** ![Gain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/b487fb/32.png) [@Gain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Gain)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/13 "2022-02-24T17:18:38Z")
> [@Taiwan\_Luthiers](#): > > There may be pro China people but they aren’t in armed rebellion. And they are all like, 112. I think most experts believe China is not invading because there’s just no tension. I mean, when was the last time China actually did anything materially harmful to Taiwan? Like maybe 50 years ago? It’s just not irrational like Russia as a nation, at least hasn’t been for a few decades, and Japan is not useless like Germany. The only way China would invade is if it becomes as powerful as the US, but that is likely never going to happen. It never hurts to stay vigilant though. ---
**Author:** ![the.shoemaker](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/the.shoemaker/32/116796_2.png) [@the.shoemaker](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/the.shoemaker)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/14 "2022-02-24T18:48:39Z")
I see the similarities, but not enough of them. The way I see it. 1. Taiwan is not encroaching further towards China’s border the way NATO (and potentially Ukraine and Georgia) was. 2. Taiwan is in a strategic position that is important to nearby Asian countries that would probably not like China taking it. 3. See number 2, but now add the U.S. ---
**Author:** ![LondonSpice](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/londonspice/32/201745_2.png) [@LondonSpice](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/LondonSpice)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/15 "2022-02-24T19:04:05Z")
> **[China's embassy in Ukraine tells citizens to display Chinese flags on vehicles](https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/ukraine-china-embassy-tells-citizens-display-chinese-flags-vehicles-2516711)** > > BEIJING: China's embassy in Kyiv told its citizens in Ukraine to stay home or at least take the precaution of displaying a Chinese flag on their vehicles if they needed to drive anywhere, following Russia's att ---
**Author:** ![DrewC](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/drewc/32/224499_2.png) [@DrewC](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DrewC)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 11:02pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/16 "2022-02-24T23:02:20Z")
> **[Is Taiwan Next?](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/02/vladimir-putin-ukraine-taiwan/622907/)** > > Russia’s invasion of Ukraine makes the frightening possibility of China seizing control of the island more real. ---
**Author:** ![FairComment](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/a8b319/32.png) [@FairComment](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/FairComment)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/17 "2022-02-24T23:10:02Z")
> [@nz](#): > > the US will not allow China to have access to the Pacific. Not so sure about that. They’ve had access for quite some time now. > **[Belt and Road and debt diplomacy in the Pacific | Lowy Institute](https://www.lowyinstitute.org/publications/ocean-debt-belt-road-debt-diplomacy-pacific)** > > China has not been engaged in debt trap diplomacy — at least not yet > **[China in the Pacific: is China engaged in “debt-trap diplomacy”? - Devpolicy...](https://devpolicy.org/is-china-engaged-in-debt-trap-diplomacy-20181108/)** > > Debt is a problem in the Pacific, but Rohan Fox and Matthew Dornan delve into the data to show that this is not a result of Chinese lending. [https://www.aspi.org.au/report/taking-low-road-chinas-influence-australian-states-and-territories](https://www.aspi.org.au/report/taking-low-road-chinas-influence-australian-states-and-territories) [https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/china-pursues-allaround-influence-in-australia/news-story/c709058391566f8661baf39b09c176b3](https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inquirer/china-pursues-allaround-influence-in-australia/news-story/c709058391566f8661baf39b09c176b3) > **[The risks of China’s ambitions in the South Pacific | Brookings](https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-risks-of-chinas-ambitions-in-the-south-pacific/)** > > Over the last two decades China has been steadily building its influence in the South Pacific. This has left many analysts in the West to ask, what is China’s ambition in the South Pacific, and what risks does this create? > **[China seemingly set on new approach to Pacific influence](https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/453115/china-seemingly-set-on-new-approach-to-pacific-influence)** > > China seems set to change the way it relates to Pacific nations. > **[China's Reach Tests the Pacific’s Fragile Island Democracies](https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/07/chinas-reach-tests-the-pacifics-fragile-island-democracies/)** > > The United States and Australia must work together to support Pacific states. > **[Pacific alliance – how China is using rifts to its advantage – DW – 02/11/2021](https://www.dw.com/en/pacific-islands-alliance-how-china-is-using-rifts-to-its-advantage/a-56534870)** > > Regional powers fear that disagreement over leadership of the Pacific Islands Forum could open the door for China to increase its presence and influence over underdeveloped countries reeling from economic problems. ---
**Author:** ![mad\_masala](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/mad_masala/32/182103_2.png) [@mad\_masala](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/mad_masala)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 11:40pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/18 "2022-02-24T23:40:32Z")
At some point they’ll even believe their own bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![TimesThree](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@TimesThree](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TimesThree)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/19 "2022-02-24T23:58:18Z")
I think that as NATO isn’t involved yet it’s much too early to say. The two situations are also very different in some ways. Russia’s chief complaint is offering Ukraine membership in NATO, which in strategic terms kind of puts a knife to their throat. No one’s offering Taiwan membership in anything meaningful, and the Western military presence is, in some ways at least, already here. Also, how invested are countries around Ukraine in its national security? In the case of Taiwan you have Japan and Vietnam, which don’t want to see China’s sphere of influence get any bigger. Are the countries bordering Ukraine as invested (literally and figuratively) in keeping it going? ---
**Author:** ![DogmaticStoic](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/dogmaticstoic/32/179644_2.png) [@DogmaticStoic](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/DogmaticStoic)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294/20 "2022-02-25T00:38:18Z")
I think you misunderstood, I’m not comparing Ukraine to Taiwan, I’m saying that a war in Europe increases the viability of invasion from China. I’m not comparing the two countries, but rather talking about vaccines of power and precedents for behavior (so I guess if anything the comparison is between Russia and China) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/the-invasion-of-ukraine-has-amplified-the-risk-of-a-chinese-invasion/217294.md?page=2)