The Kavanaugh Fallout

[anon76032781]

@Mick

the left has done little except trash Trump, usually on Russia Russia Russia and now things are developing the left is forced to catch up.

Yep. And the so-called liberal media did warn against this.

[Andrew0409]

I really hate reading the news. It’s like I have to read some of Fox and some of CNN to piece together what’s the truth. I can’t trust the news to be anywhere near unbiased these days. Have to read like 5 articles and try to take out my own personal biases which is also hard.

[Andrew0409]

@bojack

There are also lots of Americans who are disgusted with the idea of unconditional love of country.

For me, I don’t see anything wrong with acknowledging the ugliness with the good. The US isn’t utopia but it’s something to be proud of. The constitution is a masterpiece imo. And yes, I know perfectly well the guys who wrote it, added amendments to it aren’t perfect either. By today’s standards some of them would be pretty fucked up. But it’s a masterpiece in my eyes.

[Taiwan_Netizen]

The Kavanaugh Fallout

I’m tired of these America hating people. The freedom to express your opinions is a fundamental right of the United States. So are things like due process, innocent until proven guilty. They come bitching about the electoral college and federalism, which is fine. But most of them were perfectly fine in partaking in the electoral process for their own candidates. Now still act like sore losers complaining about the electoral college, how America should be ashamed. Omg the trade war. None of them…

Tired of people using the right that you prop up in the very next sentence?

Do you not see the irony in this whatsoever?

Honestly people are you guys bots?

[Taiwan_Netizen]

before someone experience btthurtedness, lets look at some metrics.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2018-04-25/us-falls-in-world-press-freedom-index

45th in the world in freedom of the press. maybe we should stop TRUMPeting how fucking totally awesome kickass MAGA we are.

That is shit and inexcusable.

Our legal system is seriously flawed as well, but now we likely have 8 years of MAGAtards screaming “O’Doyle rules” while we drive our debt up and collapse our social structures.

We have our heads up our asses.

Not hard to realize when you look at who is steering the ship and the utter nonsense his supporter spout.

[Dr_Milker]

@Taiwan_Netizen

We have our heads up our asses.

Speak for yourself.

[Taiwan_Netizen]

We do, too many of the ‘Murica!!!’ set are unwilling to look inward.

History will look back at this time very poorly

[shiadoa]

@Taiwan_Netizen

We do, too many of the ‘Murica!!!’ set are unwilling to look inward.

History will look back at this time very poorly

We can but apologize for obviously jeopordizing your well-being with our refusal to agree with you

[Andrew0409]

@Taiwan_Netizen

nonsense

Have you read your posts?

One subjective ranking of press freedoming? Lol possibly very biased. There’s no data anywhere on there to determine this. Journalists jailed? What is it even based on?

You’ve not made any real arguments. Just name calling. And bashing the straw man. You should take a logic grammar and rhetoric class. I’ve seen 12 years old make better arguements than you lol.

You keep saying you’re not a sore loser for an election 2 years ago. But you keep referring to it. People like you are he reason he’s going to get elected again. Took me a while, but I saw the truth of how people acted like emotional children.

[Andrew0409]

@Taiwan_Netizen

History will look back at this time very poorly

Give me some objective factual reasons on why. Not a opinion article not based on any data to rank.

How’s the economy?

Unemployment?

Like actually how this has been a nightmare for you.

[rowland]

I think US News is butthurt.

Their college rankings have gotten a bad rep.

[rowland]

The civilized way to shut someone up is to leave him so ashamed of his own stupidity that he has nothing to say.

The SJW way to shut someone up is some sort of, er, direct action. The point of which is partly to prevent the SJW from being shut up in the civilized fashion.

One way, the stronger argument wins. The other way, the more brutal oppression wins.

[Gain]

@Andrew0409

One subjective ranking of press freedoming? Lol possibly very biased. There’s no data anywhere on there to determine this. Journalists jailed? What is it even based on?

It’s easy to search.

HOW THE INDEX IS COMPILED

The degree of freedom available to journalists in 180 countries is determined by pooling the responses of experts to a questionnaire devised by RSF. This qualitative analysis is combined with quantitative data on abuses and acts of violence against journalists during the period evaluated. The criteria evaluated in the questionnaire are pluralism, media independence, media environment and self-censorship, legislative framework, transparency, and the quality of the infrastructure that supports the production of news and information.

CRITERIA CATEGORIES AND INDICATORS

The questionnaire focuses on such criteria categories as the country’s performance as regards pluralism, media independence and respect for the safety and freedom of journalists. Each question in the questionnaire is linked to one of the six following indicators:

1 / Pluralism [indicator scorePlur]

Measures the degree to which opinions are represented in the media.

2/ Media independence [indicator scoreInd]

Measures the degree to which the media are able to function independently of sources of political, governmental, business and religious power and influence.

3/ Environment and self-censorship [indicator scoreEA]

Analyses the environment in which news and information providers operate.

4/ Legislative framework [indicator scoreCL]

Measures the impact of the legislative framework governing news and information activities.

5/ Transparency [indicator scoreTra]

Measures the transparency of the institutions and procedures that affect the production of news and information.

6/ Infrastructure [indicator scoreInf]

Measures the quality of the infrastructure that supports the production of news and information.

A seventh indicator based on data gathered about abuses and acts of violence against journalists and media during the period evaluated is also factored into the calculation.

7/ Abuses [indicator scoreExa]

Measures the level of abuses and violence.

Each indicator is given a score between 0 and 100.

America scored even worse than Taiwan did this year, which is just pathetic as Taiwan’s scores are pretty bad as well (though it’s the best in Asia and has been for years, then again that says way more about Asia).

And it’s not just RSF. Freedom House also has a press freedom index and America doesn’t score too well there either. FH also has a freedom in the world index (measuring civil and political rights) and America scored horribly this year.

@rowland

I think US News is butthurt.

It’s not the US News’ ranking. It’s Reporters Sans Frontières’ ranking, which is probably the most commonly cited report on press freedom in the world.

[KHHville]

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@Andrew0409

One subjective ranking of press freedoming? Lol possibly very biased. There’s no data anywhere on there to determine this. Journalists jailed? What is it even based on?

It’s easy to search.

HOW THE INDEX IS COMPILED

The degree of freedom available to journalists in 180 countries is determined by pooling the responses of experts to a questionnaire devised by RSF.

America scored even worse than Taiwan did this year, which is just pathetic as Taiwan’s scores are pretty bad as well (though it’s the best in Asia and has been for years, then again that says way more about Asia).

And it’s not just RSF. Freedom House also has a press freedom index and America doesn’t score too well there either.

It’s Reporters Sans Frontières’ ranking, which is probably the most commonly cited report on press freedom in the world.

lol

Here’s what RSF website says about US ranking 45 in 2018, in quotes. It was 43 in 2017

“US press freedom… has been under increasing attack over the past few years, and the first year of President Donald J. Trump’s presidency has fostered further decline in journalists’ right to report.”

[So, looks like even Obama’s presidency was not good. Just a decline of 2pts from Obama’s last year.]

rsf.org/en/united-states

can read more there. looks like reporters mad at his verbal attacks, “fake news” moniker, and oh my gosh, violent anti-press rhetoric. kind of like it’s now illegal to criticize press or press coverage. Americans worry more about physical violence from Antifas, rather than violent rhetoric. the media has always had a free pass to express what it wants, but that doesn’t give them a right to go uncriticized. and this goes for both sides of the aisle.

[Gain]

@KHHville

[So, looks like even Obama’s presidency was not good. Just a decline of 2pts from Obama’s last year.]

According to them the US has never been great on press freedom.

@KHHville

can read more there. looks like reporters mad at his verbal attacks, “fake news” moniker, and oh my gosh, violent anti-press rhetoric. kind of like it’s now illegal to criticize press or press coverage. Americans worry more about physical violence from Antifas, rather than violent rhetoric. the media has always had a free pass to express what it wants, but that doesn’t give them a right to go uncriticized. and this goes for both sides of the aisle.

Whatever you say. He is hostile to journalists.

And you obviously didn’t read the indicators. Partisanship would also hurt your scores. American media is probably the most divided in the world. The degree even puts Taiwan’s garbage reporting to shame. That’s some real achievement.

[KHHville]

@Gain

American media is probably the most divided in the world. The degree even puts Taiwan’s garbage reporting to shame. That’s some real achievement.

you’re preaching to the choir in this regard.
so, it’s kind of funny that RSF is sheeting (in an indirect way through its ranking) on American reporters, when it’s those same reporters who themselves are so biased. But, as noted before, throughout history, reporters have always taken sides. look into Joseph Pulitzer. they named a journalistic prize after him. Yellow journalism started with his New York World and Hearst’s New York Journal.

[IbisWtf]

The US media scores low points in the index because their reports are biased, heavily politicized, non transparent etc etc. → Trump attacking them is a bad thing

I don’t think the US has any issue regarding press freedom. The garbage they’re allowed to write based on “anonymous sources familiar with the matter” or “it’s just an opinion bro” never ceases to amaze me.

[Andrew0409]

A lot of these seems rather subjective.

[bluejasn]

Yep more than half the news are accusations from anonymous sources of an anonymous source that knew someone 20 years ago or witnesses something back in the day. If anything the US Press are so free they’ve become Tabloid Trash. Very little facts almost all propaganda and opinions. If they have the freedom to publish unverified opinionated crap people have the right to call it crap.

[Dr_Milker]

@KHHville

Reporters Sans Frontières

When a left-wing organization like this gives the U.S. a low ranking for press freedom, we all know exactly what this means.