The Left and Plans for "Nuremberg-Style" Tribunals for Bush

Hubris ad infinitum?

[quote]The Left and Plans for “Nuremberg-Style” Tribunals for Bush Administration Officials
Byron York

One thing that hasn’t received much attention in conservative and Republicans circles is the ongoing conversation on the left about the possibility of Nuremberg-style war-crimes trials for members of the Bush administration should a Democratic president take office. I’m not exaggerating or introducing the Nazi analogy myself; they actually use the phrase “Nuremberg-style” when they discuss “war-crimes tribunals.” And they are quite serious (although the more moderate of them prefer a “truth commission.”)

At the Netroots Nation gathering in Austin, Texas last month — that is the successor to YearlyKos — Dahlia Lithwick, of the Washington-Post-owned website Slate, did an interview with the Talking Points Memo site in which she described a panel discussion she had just taken part in on what is known as the “first 100 days of accountability.” Among Lithwick’s observations:

[i]"We're already falling into this trap of either positing Nuremberg-style 
     war crimes tribunals, or nothing, immunizing everyone from John Yoo 
     up and down…but everybody says there's a lot of gray area in between 
     that, and that accountability doesn't necessarily mean Nuremberg, it 
     doesn't necessarily mean nothing, it means possibly a truth 
     commission, possibly appointing a special prosecutor to look at it…"[/i]

Lithwick recommended a massive retrospective investigation of the Bush administration, going through every piece of paper, before moving forward:

[i]"Certainly long before we make a decision to do what Stuart Taylor 
     suggested this week, which was immunize everybody in advance, or 
     alternatively make a decision to trot them out before a war crimes  
     tribunal before the whole world, we should really find out what 
     happened…"[/i]

But Lithwick recognized that there are those who argue such an action might be divisive:

[i]"We talked a lot about this notion that it's bad for America, that it will rip 
     America apart if we have hearings or we have criminal trials or if we 
     have war crimes tribunals.  And I think it's really worse for America if 
     we don't…"[/i]

I think the thing to emphasize here is that this is a serious conversation going on among people who might have influential voices or play influential roles in an Obama administration. Many of them want to put John Yoo — a special favorite of theirs — on trial, whether before a Nuremberg-style tribunal, a criminal court, or a truth commission with as-yet unspecified powers. And, of course, they wouldn’t stop with Yoo; if they had their way, they would likely have a long list of former Bush administration officials to put in the dock. They are serious.[/quote]

Well, IMO, ripping America apart is exactly the intentions of people promoting this fools errand.

Oh golly. :laughing:

Why can’t they just admit that after all of their prophesies of Bush invadin’ Iran, putting the country under martial law, changing the laws so he can run for a third term, rounding up brown people and putting them in detention camps, being the next Hitler, turning the US into a fascist dictatorship, nuking N.Korea, and Iran, starting the next holocaust, invading Canada, Venezuela, Europe and everywhere else, the only thing that is going to happen in January is Bush stepping down with no more fanfare than a child pissing on a sparkler.

It’s like they’ve lost their full time hobby and have to search for things to do.

You were wrong. Bush did not turn North America into Nazi Germany as you predicted he would. Move. on. The rest of us are.

Bush was always talking about accountability. I want to see him held to account.

That’s for the little people, like Linndie England. Oh where is this woman’s conservative Zola?

He should be declared an enemy combatant.

When the people at the top thumb their noses at the law then we’ve lost the only thing which really holds things together – moral authority at the top. Whether Bush and his cronies are ultimately held accountable for their actions doesn’t really matter because the real damage was done when Bush crossed the Leona Helmsley Rubicon in force and made flouting the law okay for everyone.

Now it’s party time as Bush ironically drives the point home while on his current, clueless Leona Helmsley Do As We Say, Not As We Do World Tour lecturing the world on human rights and the rule of law.

It’ll happen, but probably not for 20 years.

No. Just Guantanamo Bay. :fume:

Isn’t that what Nixon’s defenders said?

Just a few hours of enhanced interrogation and he will tell us all we need to know.

Guantanamo alone should be enough to put that filthy fucker and his equally foetid henchmen in jail. Never happen, though. If I ever go to the US I’ll make a point of borrowing books from the Chimp’s library and not returning them, though. That ought to show HIM.

What makes you think his library will even have books?
And if it does, you can bet the Secret Service will have a registry on everyone who ever checks one out.

They could waterboard him without trouble. It’s not considered torture in the U.S. after all.

Nuremberg trials eh? Woop! Will they have the same ending? I hope so! After all, it isn’t likely he’ll be like one of those that got off so they could go and build the U.S.A.'s first space rockets!

You mentioned ‘The Left’. Who are they exactly? Are they the ones with the clearer view, unobstructed by those sitting on the right?

Whatever we do though we don’t want to rip America apart by insisting on those at the top being held accountable. After all, that’s what we insisted on with Saddam and look where that led to.

Pretty much all those at the top are leaving office and will be pariahs.
Sure, hold Bush accountable for Gitmo, but acknowledge the fact that he didn’t do many of the things you’ve been claiming he would do for the past 8 years. How many internet hours is that down the drain now?

Pretty much all those at the top are leaving office and will be pariahs.
Sure, hold Bush accountable for Gitmo, but acknowledge the fact that he didn’t do many of the things you’ve been claiming he would do for the past 8 years. How many internet hours is that down the drain now?[/quote]
He sure gave it one hell of a try.

Pretty much all those at the top are leaving office and will be pariahs.
Sure, hold Bush accountable for Gitmo, but acknowledge the fact that he didn’t do many of the things you’ve been claiming he would do for the past 8 years. How many internet hours is that down the drain now?[/quote]

So you don’t think Bush will attack Iran before he leaves office because it would be unthinkably reckless and crazy?

Go ahead. Man up and go clearly on record with your thoughts on the subject so we can compare notes come January when the clock runs out.

Having a nuclear conflict might be a good excuse to suspend elections.

You guys are so predictable…just to show you the company you’re running with…

“The House Judiciary Committee held a hearing Friday [July 2008] it insisted was not about removing President Bush from office. But critics of Bush’s policies couldn’t pass up the chance to charge the president with a long list of impeachable ‘high crimes and misdemeanors.’”

Speaking of ‘high crimes and misdemeanors’, here are some facts discovered and put together some time ago regarding the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr…

The chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr of Michigan, is an endorser of the Revolutionary Communist Party call to “Drive Out the Bush Regime”. So, if anyone needs to be ‘investigated’, it’s that SOB. But since the republicans are mostly spineless cowards, I doubt it will ever happen.

Click on the WCW link just below and see: “Endorsers of the Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime Include”. Conyers’ endorsement appears right after Ward Churchill’s. Al Sharpton’s, Maxine Waters and Jesse Jackson Jr’s endorsements are also on the list:
worldcantwait.net/index.php?opti … 8&Itemid=2

And on Oct 5, 2006, the Democrat chair of the House Judiciary Committee, John Conyers Jr, GAVE A SPEECH to the World Can’t Wait–Drive Out the Bush Regime organization. Here’s full-page coverage of it from the WCW website:
worldcantwait.net/index.php? … Itemid=243

Fact: World Can’t Wait–Drive Out the Bush Regime is a Maoist-revolutionary movement/organization initiated and controlled by the Revolutionary Communist Party. (scroll down the list that appears (after clicking link) to find the World Can’t Wait organization --rwor.org is the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party):
rwor.org/a/rwlink/links.htm

From David Horowitz’s FrontpageMag.com /DiscoverTheNetworks.org:
Profile: World Can’t Wait (WCW)

*Revolutionary communist movement that stages protests against the Bush administration

*Organizes college and high-school students

*Founded in June 2005 by Charles Clark Kissinger, a longtime leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party

discoverthenetworks.org/grou … grpid=7213

From the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party (revcom.us or rwor.org) :
“Create Public Opinion, Seize Power: We are preparing minds and organizing forces for the time when there is a major crack in the system, whenever it comes and wherever it comes from: an opening that makes it possible to bring the future Revolutionary Army of the Proletariat (R.A.P.) into the field and wage a revolutionary armed struggle that actually has a chance of winning. And we have said that building our party itself is the most important part of organizing forces for revolution. This is true now, and it is true looking forward to the creation of that future R.A.P. and the waging of that armed struggle.”:
revcom.us/a/v20/1000-1009/1000/barw.htm

Also from the Revolutionary Communist Party website: “Tearing Up the U.S. Paper Tiger in Korea: How 300,000 Chinese Troops Snuck into Korea and Kicked the Ass of the U.S. Armed Forces” RW #1059, June 18, 2000:
rwor.org/a/v22/1052-059/1059/korea.htm

Here’s the Revolutionary Communist Party (see link below) boasting of a FULL PAGE ‘World Can’t Wait–Drive Out the Bush Regime’ ad of theirs which appeared in the New York Times.(either “rwor.org” or “revcom.us” takes you to the website of the Revolutionary Communist Party). The NY Times has since allowed several additional full-page RCP/WCW ads.
Article title: “Who Hated the Bush Step Down Ad in the New York Times? …And what that Tells Us About Why We Must and How We Can Drive Out the Bush Regime”(actual title)
rwor.org/a/028/who-hated-bush-ad.htm

The left seems to love Nurmberg Style.

epw.senate.gov/fact.cfm?party=rep&id=264568
Federal Office of the Environment and Public Works has released this statement:

NUREMBERG-STYLE TRIALS PROPOSED FOR GLOBAL WARMING SKEPTICS

Sparking International Outrage at the Wackos

EPW UPDATE: INTERNATIONAL PRESSURE FORCES GRIST MAGAZINE TO RETRACT STATEMENT CALLING FOR NUREMBERG-STYLE TRIALS FOR SKEPTICS

gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/12/115734/52

So gang, you’ve got buddies working with you already…:smiley:

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]You guys are so predictable…just to show you the company you’re running with…[/quote]Oh, you’ve stepped in it now. What other regimes support torture? What’s the company you keep?