The narratives about Trump thread

https://dailycaller.com/2024/07/17/sue-mi-terry-max-boot-indicted-foreign-spying-scheme/

Sue Mi Terry, a former CIA analyst and a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, is accused by federal prosecutors of acting as a secret agent for South Korea.

Terry, whose husband Max Boot regularly falsely accused former President Trump of being a Russian asset, reportedly used her position and access to U.S. officials to provide sensitive information to South Korea in exchange for luxury items and other lavish benefits, according to the indictment, New York Post reported. The allegations state that from Oct. 2013, Terry engaged in activities that compromised her role as an independent foreign policy expert.

All just for lavish items, lol

I donā€™t know about that, but Iā€™ve been thinking something similar. Iā€™m sensing that recent events have humanized Trump, and the convention is providing clarity that the Republican party is solidly behind him. He looks more simply like a Republican now, and not (insert label of choice). If this second term transpires, it could be a lot different than the first one.

Who would have thought weā€™d be here early 2021? Heā€™s pulled it off through sheer determination. Whatever happens, itā€™s impressive.

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Trump if re-elected wont he hampered by a Russia Hoax special investigation. Hopefully Adam Schiff loses his senate election in November and is tossed aside. Trump will be better prepared from day one.

The last Republican to hold one of the California senate seats was in the 1980s.

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True but thereā€™s always hope. At least he got censured for his lies about Trump Russia hoax. Itā€™s doesnā€™t mean much but him being removed from committeeā€™s was a good thing. Republicans followed the Democrat playbook on that.

Biden wonā€™t take kindly to Adam Schiff and will tell him to kick rocks.

Yeah. This is (mostly) the way I saw it in real time, too.

Anyway, if you find yourself searching for a rational explanation behind Mr. Trumpā€™s support in 2024, you could find worse than this WSJ opinion piece.

Mr. Trumpā€™s postelection behavior was mystifying and discreditable, even in a year of lunacy and bad judgment. Couldnā€™t he make a measured, coherent case that the election had been unfair but nonetheless accept the result and mount an opposition campaign for 2024? He couldnā€™t. Did he have to accept every easily falsified tale of election fraud told to him by toadies and trumpet it to his supporters? He did. And those supporters were as ready to hear stories of election chicanery as their left-wing correlatives had been ready, six months before, to accept any allegation they heard, however ludicrous, about police violence and systemic racism.

The consequence, on Jan. 6, 2021, was a haphazard rush on a poorly guarded Capitol building in which a few ideologues and miscreants mixed with a mass of decent if misled Americans who, at the end of a white-hot election turned berserk by arbitrarily changed pandemic regulations, made the mistake of taking Mr. Trumpā€™s rants both seriously and literally. Believing the bonkers legal theory that the vice president could forestall the transfer of power by refusing to certify electors from states in which the loser alleged fraud, protesters aimed to stop Congress from certifying Mr. Bidenā€™s victory.

Unlike the vast majority of the lawbreakers who looted stores, vandalized monuments and attacked government buildings the previous summer, the Jan. 6 protesters were, almost to a man, found and prosecuted. Of more than 1,250 charged, more than half pleaded guilty, many offering apologies. Nonetheless the media and the Democratic Party settled on a preposterously overwrought term for this misbegotten event: ā€œinsurrection.ā€

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Very good piece.

Definitely a strike against Mr. Trump. An unfortunate take all the way, count 3-1, even though the pitch was a grooved hardball right down Broadway.

But since Mr. Trump is wondering why the U.S. would bother with Taiwan, weā€™ll explain, and the answer isnā€™t only semiconductors. The fall of Taiwan to the Communist Party would mark the end of Americaā€™s Pacific alliance system, which has produced 80 years of mostly peace. Beijing is also provoking a fight in the South China Sea with the Philippines, which the U.S. is bound by treaty to defend.

Mr. Trump has been getting mileage from his claim that heā€™s the President who prevents wars, but here his bravado is inviting a fight that could cost thousands of American lives. The Taiwan question isnā€™t about waging endless wars but preventing a catastrophic one.

I doubt this is as big an issue as it seems in the papers. Chinas economy is shaky at best. They will pull back and point their guns inward I think before firing them any foreign devils.

Of course we all hope Beijing does not embark on any adventures (perhaps as a blame-the-foreign-devils distraction from domestic woes). But having watched DJTā€™s VP pick say he doesnā€™t care about Ukraine (inviting further aggression against it) who is to say that similar language will not lead to a potential risk across the Taiwan Strait?

No one really knows, but I know that foreign diplomats here donā€™t like it. Hereā€™s what Japanā€™s envoy to Taiwan had to say in the distant era of . . . July 2024:

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I think people get hung up on the rhetoric and forget that it is the somewhat deceptive public face of foreign policy.

Especially wrt Grump.

Well thatā€™s sort of the thing that drives Japanese diplomats nutsā€”the possibility of just switching things up on a dime depending on his mood or the last thing some of his advisors told him.

Iā€™ve long thought that DJTā€™s strong point in foreign affairs is his unpredictable mad man persona. This approach is less appreciated in Tokyo and Seoul (and here recall the way Biden brought Kishida and Yoon together, actually getting South Korea and Japan on the same pageā€”something he should receive credit for).

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I think that his mood plays far less a role than people think. He sets his policy based on his campaign promises. Then he runs around the issues trying to keep them.

Kushnerā€™s book is full of examples. Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Canada, Israel. Etc

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The US has fought four wars in Asia. It won one because it used nuclear weapons. Two were forfeits and one was a draw against much weaker opponents. All lasted years.

Thatā€™s why Iā€™m having troubling accepting the idea that war with a nuclear-armed opponent which thinks itā€™s fighting for its own Hawaii or Alaska is going to be some sort of quick, lop-sided victory. Odds are itā€™s going to be a long, hard, bloody slog thatā€™s going to require real sacrifices from Americans that theyā€™re way past being willing to accept.

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Better to turns their lights off and let them die in the dark then, huh?

No one in Peoria will care.

I have a hard time accepting any great leader saying ā€œLet it all burn.ā€ Not Xi or Rocket Man or Pootpoot or Grump.

Someone close to them will have a kid in school and a loaded firearm.

This is just more or your hand wringing.

The wars that US has fought in Asia involved invading territory and occupying land, not defending territory that you already control. Occupation will always be a long slog.

The Chinese have little to no experience in warfare and intend to invade and occupy territory. Yeah my money is still on the most experienced military power in the world.

Almost like not functionally understanding why our geopolitics have been set up the way they are was a bad thing all along?

Like, if he canā€™t grasp the concept of strategic ambiguity and itā€™s role in warding a Chinese invasion whilst also benefitting our power projection into the region and giving the us an image of being a reliable ally worldwide, why do we trust this guy to, say, manage NATO? I agree with him that our NATO allies should pay their share - another one of his good points - but I really donā€™t think he understands everything else it does for us.

And I think this applies to more than just geopoliticsā€¦ Look, Iā€™m not really trying to just take free shots here. Itā€™s an issue. Heā€™s not dumb, but he doesnā€™t really ever come off as intellectual, does he?And this is a problem when your platform is one of no wars, but the things you say might invite the chance for the biggest war since WW2.

This is not necessarily a comparison with Biden - I think that one is also not terribly well equipped to handle some of the things we deal with today, but I do think he understands a bit more about the institutions. Or at least, used to.

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Biden is old school kick the can down the road and buy time until hopefully the problem fixes itself kind of guy imo.

His knee jerk decisions are almost always awful. I know kids who havenā€™t seen their parents in years because of his outrageous and incompetent withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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His decision to release intelligence that Russia was planning an invasion was clearly not knee jerk and a master play.

Establishing AUKUS is another example.

I suppose he shouldā€™ve just not followed the withdrawal agreement that Trump put in place. And instead do a little knee jerk and stick it out there for a few more decades.

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Yea, I recall how he prevented a costly and unnecessary war.

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