The narratives about Trump thread

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Good morning to you too.

Of course the US needs to secure its borders. However, it also needs to secure its rule of law. The problem with corporations taht aget away with hiring illegals is the same as in Taiwan: they can and if they don’t, they just take off to tax havens and cheaper pastures. That colt bolted and ain’t coming back…unles there is innovation involved.

What is pushing US citizens out of their social class has more to do with corporate greed and collusion, corruption, not immigrants. We are not the enemy. We did not cheat you out of home and pay you less than liveable wage. The Walmarts did. And they have expanded and done teh same abroad, with extra impunity.

Most illegals come, make a few bucks, leave. Those who stay have some shot at legality, ahve gotten married, have kids and try to go for it. However, even for married people it can take 3 to 12 years. Each time someone legal goes to their home country, they must pay uncle Sam a fee over 500 USD. Easy it ain’t. Then people throw at their faces that they do not learn English. Like Westeners here in Taiwan working a full time job do.

There is a meme going around the interwebs saying that if someone with no family no friends no money takes your job…it is because you are not too good at it. Or that immigrants take jobs…that aren’t there. The only ones who will bend 15 hours a day over cabbage fields under the heavy sun are robots. Immigrants do the jobs no one wants. US kids do not want a McD job that pays less than liveable wage. So the cheap labor, local or otehrwise, legal or not, is a dead.

Unfortunately, we are all interconnected. Economic and social globalization are already in place. US has had several periods of isolation and only comes out for a war. It always chooses the worst timing, but it is part of its fabric. This is teh contraction/isolation period. It shall pass.

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And the wage for certain jobs is so low because…

Did the average salary for English teachers in Taiwan increase, decrease or stay the same over the years? Everyone complains that it went down. Is it because:

a) Suddenly everyone in Taiwan speaks fluent English and there’s no requirement for English teacher
b) School owners who spend most of their time diving in swimming pools full of shekels while somehow lightning up cigars with 50$ coins are abusing the system
c) Over the course of the years there’s been an increase in foreigners coming to Taiwan, it’s easy for English speaking foreigner to find a teaching job and since many foreigners don’t have a Visa that allows them to work they have to accept whatever pay a company is willing to offer if they want to make some cash

It’s the same everywhere in the world, even in Europe many sectors have seen the average salary decrease or remain stagnant in recent years, and it doesn’t only apply to min wage jobs.

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You funny.

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I think you are taking this far too personally Icon. There is a simple equation at play.

When a country strives and creates a society which has many benefits, whether it is in the US or UK or EU or Japan or Taiwan. A strict immigration policy is essential.

I believe in universal health care, free education up to and including Universities, maternity leave, benefits for unemployed, or homeless, these are good things, things a developed society should try to give their citizens.

However, there are 6 billion people on this planet, most of which don’t have these nice things, it’s not their fault. That’s just the way it is. If I were one of those unfortunate souls that by no fault of my own just happened to be born somewhere where conditions were harsh or there was little chance to succeed, I too would want to move somewhere it was safer, more financially rewarding, where I knew the system would provide more support. We all would.

There is something like 10 million people in the US illegally, maybe 20 million? Who knows, but it’s a lot of people. You may argue corporations benefit or argue they do jobs no one else would do. But there is significant cost too, to ignore that is intellectually dishonest. How much cost and how much damage in terms of crime, drugs, court fees and prison is Im sure up for debate, but what is not, is that it is substantial.

Simply put, you can’t create a system which provides more benefits than the vast majority of the rest of the world, and not secure your boarders. There is nothing racist about doing so, it’s not about brown, black, yellow or green people. It’s common sense, no boarders and you get flooded with people wanting to share the benefits and the system can’t support itself and no one gets the nice things with which you want to share with the people in your society.

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This autocorrect is driving me nuts. Yeah, he is way too flakey. If the Cons had picked Bernier, they would be the government-in-waiting.

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Bending the knee intensifies.

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I can’t find the clip right now, but the news last night showed him saying he wants immigrants “from all countries”. :astonished:

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Shoud PS Xi Jinping over DiCaprio. Be more fitting.

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That has been carefully exorcised from the internet.

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Wages have been stagnant for about 20 years. It does stem from competition in labor, but from a different point. Not from immigrants, as many rightwing blowhards, xenophobes, and Islamophobes like to spout. They are easy to blame for everything because they cannot fight back.

Outsourcing has led to a huge dip in wages, and automation just keeps them low in perpetuity. The mindset of the US corporate world is “Why should I pay you $20/hr with benefits, when I can pay someone else somewhere else $1/hr with no benefits and get a tax break on that to boot? We do not need you as a consumer. We have a new market a billion strong.”

This was something DP promised his supporters he would address and has yet to do and never really meant it. Again, no economic reason to support DP.

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Anyone else catch on CNN that ad for show: “Trump’s first year…reign of chaos…” with the guy’s voice sounding exactly the same as the guy advertising a Shwartzneiger movie :rofl:

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The thing about ignoring illegal immigration and supporting sanctuary cities - President Obama openly supported sanctuary cities - is how it undermines the very rule of law that you mention.

What’s the point of legal immigration if illegal immigration is allowed? What’s the point of US citizenship if people who are in the country illegally are allowed to compete with citizens for jobs, or legal immigrants? Why should US citizens support their government if illegal immigrants enjoy something akin to a legal status? Resources are scarce, how is it fair that an illegal immigrant consumes resources that are denied to a citizen or a legal immigrant?

There is no point, it’s all meaningless if illegal immigrants are allowed to stay or given amnesty or grandfathered into legal status.

The only way to control immigration is to resolutely follow the law, aggressively pursue those who are in the US illegally, and do all of it consistently. The only things stopping the US from doing that are some states (e.g., California), Democrats, and certain Congressional lobbies in Washington.

President Trump’s promise is stop illegal immigration, no matter the cost. His stance is not a radical one; he is merely following the rule of law. He’s picked a fight with Democrats and California over it, a huge fight, and rightly so.

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Good idea. He’s a better actor too.

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DP

Sorry, what? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

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Eternal gratitude to anyone who has time to track it down! :notworthy:

(That quote again was Donnie saying he wants immigrants “from all countries”.)

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12:50 p.m.

President Donald Trump says he wants immigrants to come to the U.S. from “everywhere,” despite having said behind closed doors that he’d prefer more immigrants from countries like Norway and not Africa.

Trump was responding to questions as he met with Kazakhstan’s president Nursultan Nazarbayev (nur-sul-TAHN’ nah-sar-BAH’-yev) at the White House on Tuesday.

Trump said: “We want ‘em to come in from everywhere, everywhere.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-latest-trump-says-he-wants-immigrants-from-everywhere/2018/01/16/57907226-fae6-11e7-9b5d-bbf0da31214d_story.html?utm_term=.6807fc32812a

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Donald Pump. He’s this porn star who wears an orange Trump wig in his movies.

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Weird, that’s the only part of Trump that isn’t orange.