🆔 The "New format for TARC number is not accepted, either"-Thread

Yeah, I don’t expect the average Joe Chen to know what a TARC is. I’d expect an international bank to somehow make this part of their internal employee training though…

Legally, I am a Taiwanese National. I hold a TW passport and when my application was accepted, the Ministry wrote to me that now I am “no longer a foreigner”. Without a TARC (which expires!), I have no right to reside in Taiwan, though.

In practice, “transitioning Taiwanese” summaries it quite well, though: Most institutions (public and private!) treat NWOHRs holding a TARC more like foreigners than like nationals.

And that’s exactly the point of this thread: If the government (and those private institutions) don’t even manage to treat their own citizens equally, there’s an even longer way to go to accept that foreign residents also should not be excluded from many programs just because they’re foreigners.

Interestingly, though, the “discrimination” argument actually becomes weaker as a NWOHR: I cannot argue that I’m being discriminated against here because of my nationality because - well - my nationality is Taiwanese :man_shrugging:

discrimination then would be based on place of birth, which is a protected class under International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR)

I’m not sure how feasible this route is.
Were I in the seat of a ministry, I would argue that by excluding all NWOHRs, I’m not discriminating based on birthplace because the NWOHR status is independent of birthplace (NWOHR can basically be born in any country, including Taiwan!) :whistle:
Of course, one could argue that a NWOHR is much more likely to have been born abroad, but that might be pushing it…

But yeah - it’s worth a try to submit an article 62 discrimination complaint if anything else fails.

Just sent out an FSC complaint about Cathay.
In this case, I’m also complaining about the exclusion of foreign residents in general.

What’s very interesting is that Cathay actually has different, contradicting definitions of who is available to get this insurance. The exclusion of NWOHRs is only mentioned by support - it’s nowhere to be found on their website. That alone should be considered a breach of regulations.

(Skipping the Chinese original because of post length constraints):

Dear Financial Supervisory Commission,

I am an ROC national without household registration in the Taiwan Area (臺灣地區無戶籍國民) who holds a Taiwan Area Resident Certificate (臺灣地區居留證, TARC) and unified identification number (統一證號, UID). On September 6, 2026, when I attempted to apply for Cathay Century Insurance’s BeSafe “Rental/Borrowed Car Peace-of-Mind Travel” insurance, the system classified my government-issued and validly formatted UID as incorrectly formatted. I could neither submit an application nor enter underwriting. Customer service also said that people without household registration are treated as foreign nationals and that foreign nationals cannot obtain this product. Article 3 of the Immigration Act (入出國及移民法), however, expressly includes NWOHRs within the definition of “national.” By classifying me as a foreign national solely because I lack household registration and use a UID, Cathay departed from my legal status and contradicted its own Insurance Notice condition that the applicant and insured “must both be nationals of this country.”

I complained to Cathay on September 15. Cathay’s September 18 response said that the product “uses a National Identification Card number for identity verification and the insurance application; persons who do not meet the current application method cannot currently obtain this product,” and that it has “no corresponding plan at present” to accept other document formats. The response confirms that Cathay chooses to use a National Identification Card number as the operative access gate, but it did not claim that this restriction was based on any individual risk assessment or actuarial or statistical data. Cathay previously insured my own car using the same UID. After this refusal, I also obtained similar domestic rental-car insurance fully online from another provider using the same number. This shows that accepting only National Identification Card numbers is neither a general legal requirement nor a technical necessity for this type of online insurance application, but an undisclosed system-access restriction that Cathay has chosen to maintain. The gate excludes NWOHRs and lawfully resident foreign nationals who hold resident certificates and use UIDs before underwriting begins.

The public disclosures are also inconsistent. The BeSafe product page’s “Applicants and conditions” display lists only personal application, one-hour advance timing and an age restriction. A separately opened Insurance Notice alone states the “nationals of this country” condition described above. The 12-page policy wording titled “Cathay Non-Life Insurance Go-Out Driver-of-Another’s-Car Liability Insurance” (`國泰產物享出門駕駛他人汽車責任保險`), linked from the product page and amended on August 30, 2024, states no qualification based on nationality, household registration or identifier type. Only Cathay’s complaint response confirms that possession of a National Identification Card number is actually required.
These practices may be inconsistent with rules governing insurance underwriting, product review, disclosure and fair customer treatment. Article 7(1)(11) of the Regulations Governing Business Solicitation, Policy Underwriting and Claim Adjusting of Insurance Enterprises (保險業招攬及核保理賠辦法) requires risk assessment and premiums to rest on actuarial and statistical data and prohibits unfair treatment of particular underwriting subjects. Points 11(3) and 37 of the Directions for Review of Non-Life Insurance Products (財產保險商品審查應注意事項) also require refusal to rest on underwriting grounds and special eligibility restrictions to be stated in the policy terms. Articles 8 and 12 of the Financial Consumer Protection Act (金融消費者保護法) require truthful information without concealment or misleading conduct and incorporation of the relevant requirements into internal controls. The Principles for Financial Service Industries to Treat Clients Fairly (金融服務業公平待客原則) further require fair customer treatment throughout product design, sales, service and complaint handling. In addition, Article 62 of the Immigration Act prohibits discrimination on grounds including nationality against people residing in the Taiwan Area and is relevant legal context when assessing the differential treatment in this case.

I therefore ask the FSC Insurance Bureau to exercise its supervisory authority and examine the following:

  1. Examine whether Cathay’s blanket pre-underwriting exclusion of NWOHRs and lawfully resident foreign nationals who hold resident certificates and use UIDs complies with the rules governing underwriting, the prohibition of unfair differential treatment and fair customer treatment. If Cathay cannot establish with relevant actuarial and statistical data that this blanket exclusion has an objective and reasonable underwriting-risk basis, order correction within a specified period so that both resident groups can submit applications and receive ordinary underwriting. Please also consider the findings in the relevant fair-treatment supervision and evaluation.
  2. Examine whether the inconsistent eligibility standards presented by the product page, Insurance Notice, policy terms, application system and complaint response comply with disclosure and internal-control requirements. Order Cathay, within a specified period, to apply one consistent and truthful eligibility standard. Any special restriction that is lawfully retained should be disclosed clearly before the consumer applies and stated expressly in the policy terms.

Please inform me of the FSC’s supervisory assessment and handling result for both matters. If correction is ordered, please also state the correction period and how implementation will be confirmed. If the FSC considers any part to fall outside its financial-supervision authority, please explain the reason specifically and identify the competent authority. Thank you for examining and responding to this matter.

…and I also just received the response in regards to the Tourism Agency:

您115年9月18日電子郵件反映請本部督導觀光署平日住宿獎助排除無戶籍國民及未具體答復陳情一案,經交本部觀光署說明如下:

一、本活動為辦理國內旅遊獎助,為辦理參與資格確認、獎助使用次數控管及後續核銷查核等作業,係以國民身分證統一編號作為旅客身分辨識及資料登錄依據,爰未具國民身分證統一編號者,現階段無法透過本活動系統完成登錄。

二、針對您所提無戶籍國民持有臺灣地區居留證及統一證號,本部觀光署已予重視,將納入下一次相關國內旅遊獎助活動之規劃及改善。

三、至您所建議於本次活動期間提供人工或其他替代登錄方式一節,因本次活動已依現行規定建置作業系統,相關身分驗證及後續資料勾稽機制亦已建置完成,核銷作業係由各地方政府辦理,故將不再變動調整,希諒察。

謝謝您的來信。祝您
健康快樂
部長 陳世凱 敬啟
回覆人員單位及姓名:交通部觀光署XXX02-23491500 #XXXX

Regarding your email dated September 18, 115, in which you requested that this Ministry instruct the Tourism Bureau to address the exclusion of nationals without household registration from the weekday lodging subsidy program and the failure to provide a specific response to a petition, the matter has been referred to the Tourism Bureau of this Ministry, which provides the following explanation:

  1. This program provides subsidies for domestic travel. To verify eligibility, monitor the frequency of subsidy usage, and conduct subsequent reimbursement audits, the National ID Number is used as the basis for identifying travelers and recording their information. Therefore, individuals without a National ID Number are currently unable to complete registration through the program’s system.

  2. Regarding your point that nationals without household registration hold a Taiwan Region Residence Permit and a Unified ID Number, the Tourism Bureau of this Ministry has taken this matter seriously and will incorporate it into the planning and improvements for the next relevant domestic tourism subsidy program.

  3. Regarding your suggestion to provide manual or alternative registration methods during this campaign, please note that the operational system for this campaign has been established in accordance with current regulations, and the relevant identity verification and subsequent data reconciliation mechanisms have already been implemented. Since the reimbursement process is handled by local governments, no further changes or adjustments will be made. We appreciate your understanding.

Thank you for your letter. Wishing you
good health and happiness,
Sincerely,
Minister Chen Shikai
Name and Unit of the Responding Staff Member: Tourism Bureau, Ministry of Transportation XXX 02-23491500 #XXXX

At least their promise to change things is a bit stronger than the one given by the Sports Ministry.

And unlike the sports ministry, there seems to have at least been some sort of escalation: Not sure how much he was actually involved (probably not much at all), but the reply was sent in the name of 陳世凱 - 維基百科,自由的百科全書

Chen Shih-kai (born May 12, 1977) is a politician of the Republic of China and a member of the Democratic Progressive Party . Born in Hsinchu City , he is currently the Minister of Transportation and Communications

Regarding further escalation, I’m still considering how to play this.
I could complain to the Control Yuan - or I could take a bit more “dirty” path by writing to a KMT legislator and showcase these two cases as an example how the current government fails its citizens.

While NWOHRs aren’t exactly of high interest in the political landscape, these cases and the official responses - if played right by the opposition party - could still be utilized as an attack as part of an election campaign. It might also be usable for the opposition party to consider that mainland spouses receive the same UID as NWOHRs - and thus face exactly the same restrictions. To make this really political and potentially cause some stir, one could ask a legislator whether the acting government purposely excludes UIDs (and thus NWOHRs) from these programs to make sure no mainland spouse can qualify (well, they’re also not nationals, but we would be past pure facts at this point - and mainland spouses definitely seem to receive more political attention compared to regular foreigners and NWOHRs, especially with those KMT folks). The response signed by a DPP-minister really gives a nice point of attack in that regard… :whistle:

But probably I won’t go too far into that direction :sweat_smile:

I also sent out another inquiry to NIA some days ago to ask some general questions about UID numbers, refusal to accept residence certifcates and the article 62 complaint process (just the translation because of post size limit):

Hello:
I am a national of the Taiwan region without household registration who holds a Taiwan Region Residence Permit, uses a Unified ID number, and resides in Taiwan. However, both the public and private sectors often only accept National ID numbers or require household registration, resulting in my exclusion from services—and even being treated as a foreigner—despite holding Republic of China nationality and residing legally in Taiwan.

Recent examples include: The Tourism Bureau of the Ministry of Transportation and Communications’ “Weekday Accommodation Subsidy” program targets “Taiwanese nationals residing in Taiwan,” yet its website only accepts National ID numbers and does not offer manual registration; the Ministry of Sports’ “Sweat and Win: Get the Whole Nation Moving” program requires participants to have household registration; Cathay Property & Casualty Insurance’s BeSafe “Rent-a-Car Peace of Mind” program, while requiring applicants to be nationals of the Republic of China, rejected my Unified ID number, and customer service stated that those without household registration are treated as foreigners and therefore ineligible for coverage. These cases are merely examples; my inquiry today concerns the documents issued by your agency, the policy on the new Unified ID number, and the scope of appeals under Article 62.

When your agency promoted the new Unified ID Number system, one of the stated policy objectives was to reduce the exclusion of non-native residents from daily services due to their ID numbers. You also tested online platforms and coordinated improvements. Please assist by clarifying the following:

  1. Does your agency currently have information regarding instances where public or private sectors have refused to accept Taiwan Region Residence Permits or Unified ID Numbers—or have excluded their users—solely because they only accept National ID numbers or household registration data?

  2. What identity or residency details can a Unified ID Number and a valid Taiwan Region Residence Permit each verify? If an applicant uses a Republic of China passport to prove nationality, and neither the law nor the eligibility criteria require household registration, may public or private entities reject the application and refuse to provide manual or alternative verification methods solely because their systems only accept National ID numbers or household registration data? Please explain your agency’s position regarding public agencies and private institutions separately, and provide applicable laws, interpretive letters, or administrative guidelines (if any).

  3. What improvement plans does your agency currently have in place? What authority does your agency have to coordinate with, urge, or require improvements from other government agencies or private institutions? How should individual cases of refusal be reported to your agency? If the matter falls outside your agency’s authority and no improvement is achieved after reporting it to the original agency or business, to which agency should the matter be reported, and what procedures should be followed?

  4. Pursuant to Article 62 of the “Act on the Entry and Exit of Aliens and Immigration,” do the following situations constitute discrimination under Paragraph 1, and may a complaint be filed when the conditions of Paragraph 2 are met: First, when a private entity excludes foreign nationals residing in Taiwan solely on the basis of their foreign nationality; second, when a private entity classifies nationals without household registration as foreign nationals and then refuses to provide services on the grounds that “foreign nationals are not permitted to use” such services; Third, do public or private entities discriminate against non-household-registered nationals residing in Taiwan by treating them differently from household-registered nationals solely based on the presence or absence of household registration or the use of different identification numbers? Regarding the third scenario, does the absence of household registration or a difference in identification numbers in and of itself constitute one of the “factors” referred to in Paragraph 1, or must a causal link be proven between such factors and nationality, place of birth, or other factors? If a complaint is not accepted because other laws provide alternative remedies, please also explain the criteria for such determinations.

I am not arguing that a unified identification number alone can prove nationality, nor do I dispute eligibility requirements established by law; I hope your agency will provide written guidance regarding the acceptance of the aforementioned documents, policy coordination, and complaint channels. Thank you.

Their response:

您於115年9月18日寄給署長的電子郵件,提及臺灣地區居留證及統一證號遭拒用之處理與申訴管道1事,茲答復如下: 一、統一證號是配賦給外國人、無戶籍國民、香港澳門居民及大陸地區人民在臺使用之身分識別碼,新式統一證號已自110年1月2日起實施,將舊式格式(2碼英文字母+8碼數字)改為比照國人身分證格式的 1碼英文字母+9碼數字;臺灣地區居留證則是核發給符合條件之外來人口合法居留證明。 二、依《入出國及移民法》第3條規定,臺灣地區無戶籍國民屬我國國民,但現行法制針對有戶籍國民及無戶籍國民,就部分權利義務訂有不同規範,二者法律地位並不完全相同,而以戶籍為條件所為的差別待遇是否合理,應依個別事項的性質及目的判斷,不宜一概論定。 三、您來信所舉觀光住宿獎助及全民運動推廣活動,如果是基於鼓勵國民國內旅遊、促進國民運動等政策目的,原則上得依計畫性質設定受益對象,政府亦可能另就非本國籍及無戶籍人士規劃專屬優惠,但各項政策仍應分別檢視其資格限制與該項措施政策目的間是否具有合理關聯性,而政策性優惠亦並非因受到差別待遇就當然產生不法權利侵害,須由當事人具體指出受侵害的權利及不法性。 四、《入出國及移民法》第62條係針對因國籍、種族、膚色、階級、出生地等因素受歧視,並因此致權利受不法侵害所設的申訴機制,並非對政府政策或其受益對象設定有不同意見時的一般性政策申訴管道;如對個別措施的資格條件或政策規劃有所疑義,仍宜由各該業務主管機關依其政策目的及規劃依據說明。 以上答復,供您參考,您若仍有其他疑問,歡迎隨時來電洽詢,感謝您的來信。 本案聯絡人

In the words of Gemini:

The agency’s response is evasive, bureaucratic boilerplate that fails to answer your actual questions. They dodged accountability for the systemic failure of their own ID format’s adoption and shifted the burden back to you.

  • Question 1 (Ignored): They completely skipped your question about whether they are actually tracking or aware of these exclusion issues.

  • Questions 2 & 3 (Evaded): Instead of providing the requested legal citations, administrative guidance, or improvement plans regarding system UI/UX exclusions, they merely recited the basic definitions of the IDs. They ignored their responsibility for inter-agency coordination.

  • Question 4 (Mischaracterized): They dodged your specific hypotheticals about private-sector discrimination (e.g., the insurance company misclassifying you as a foreigner). Instead, they dismissively framed your inquiry as a general “disagreement with government policy” to avoid clarifying if household registration status or ID type falls under the protected classes of Article 62.

The NIA is clearly unwilling to engage with the root problem. To get actionable answers or force inter-agency coordination, you will likely need to escalate this complaint to a higher supervisory body, such as the Executive Yuan, the Control Yuan, or a legislator.

This is well written, nice job!

Thanks, I’ll let my AI agents know :whistle:

My current setup uses OpenAI Codex - I instruct my Codex agent to maintain bilingual versions of all my drafts. Then, I can give feedback based on the English language version and the agent will apply to both language versions. Before sending (and throughout drafting), I use another model (Gemini) to collect additional feedback.

But to be honest, my complaints were far from being automatically drafted by AI. The initial drafts really lack the quality to be sent out directly and often show major issues, such as:

  • Wrong terminology: In one draft, Codex drafted that I was refused “because of having household registration” when in reality it was the lack thereof
  • Too verbose and too many repetitions
  • Lack of clear structure; referring to ideas that are only introduced later
  • Formalities: In one case, Codex signed my draft with “Regards, E.SUN Bank” and wanted to convince me that this is normal in Chinese :thinking:
  • Overly doubtful: I had one “discussion” with Codex where it started doubting if some of the documents (website printouts etc.) were genuine: Suddenly, the draft contained a passage similar to “It is yet to be determined whether the complaint was actually submitted because the provided screenshot was taken before submission and the user could have decided not to submit it”. At that point, I had already provided the response for that complaint too…
  • Overly cautious like: “We shouldn’t state that the rejection was unconstitutional because this has not yet been established by the relevant ministry” - that’s exactly the point…
  • Some nonsense: In one incident, it added a “Conclusion: This is a well-written complaint that considers all of the submission guidelines” at the end of a draft…
  • …

But immensely more helpful than just using a plain translation tool.

So far my biggest fear is that one of the ministries / … will call me and only then realize that I’m unable to have the relevant discussion via phone because of my lack of language skills… :whistle:

A practical suggestion would be to keep a list of every service rejecting the TARC format and send the examples together to the relevant agencies. Having several documented cases may make it easier for them to identify which systems still need updating.

Yeah, that’s basically the point of this thread.

The main difficulty about this is to convince the agencies that an “update” is actually necessary; as long as they keep arguing that excluding residence certificates completely is in compliance with all laws and regulations, they won’t see any need to do an “update”. I think most of the responses posted here are proof enough that “forgetting” to support TARCs was not an oversight but a deliberate decision.

I’ve still decided to follow up upon this by writing to a local legislator of the KMT.

I’ve decided to make my email not primarily a NWOHR-rights issue, but instead to frame it with a slightly partisan note and make it about the government’s failure to deliver on their promises:

Just the translation of the main aspects:

As a Linkou resident, I am writing because, after petitioning the responsible agencies and the Executive Yuan, I personally experienced what your party has criticized as “saying one thing and doing another” and “the arrogance of power”: administrative agencies imposed additional restrictions themselves; formally accepted petitions, yet substantively avoided answering or correcting the problem.
[…]
First, the Executive Yuan’s sports overview lists “sports equality and social inclusion” as Ministry core values. In the November 26, 2025 Ministry of Sports Operations Overview, Minister Lee Yang went further: “Because we are on the same team, we will leave no one behind.” Yet “Rewards for Working Up a Sweat—Everyone Get Moving” excluded me. Citing the limited number of rewards available, the Ministry chose to “give priority to protecting the participation rights of nationals with existing household registration”—a prioritization wholly unrelated to the goal of promoting exercise. The Ministry reduced my claim to equal treatment under the Constitution to a “valuable proposal” that would be “included as a reference when reviewing the framework and system planning for future programs,” and refused to take action.
Second, an August 5, 2025 Ministry of Transportation and Communications announcement lists “digitally equitable smart services” among its AI strategies. The “Weekday Accommodation Subsidy” offered by the Tourism Administration is intended to encourage “nationals living in Taiwan” to undertake domestic travel on weekdays; yet its registration system excludes nationals who hold only a UID. In a reply issued in Minister Chen Shih-kai’s name, MOTC said that the issue would be included in “the planning and improvement of the next related domestic-travel subsidy program,” yet refused to provide any alternative registration method because the operating system for the current program had “already been established under the current rules.” MOTC first built the exclusion into its system, then invoked that same system as the reason it could not correct the exclusion, thus effectively rejecting my petition.
Judicial Yuan Interpretation No. 542 states that benefit-conferring administrative measures “are also bound by relevant constitutional principles, especially the principle of equality”; even when an agency uses household registration as a condition for administrative convenience, “it must still comply with the equality principle in Article 7 of the Constitution.” Yet these two ministries imposed the exclusionary barriers themselves, bypassing legislative oversight and creating first- and second-class nationals in administrative practice. When challenged, they offered no proper justification reasonably connected to the programs’ purposes and identified no legal basis supporting this differential treatment.
[…]
For me, this is not merely about missing out on two modest financial incentives, but about executive agencies making their own rules and designing systems that exclude people who are nationals by law, then evading responsibility when challenged. After I petitioned the Executive Yuan, both cases were returned to the ministries whose conduct I had challenged, and the exclusion remained uncorrected. At an Executive Yuan meeting on March 20, 2025, Premier Cho Jung-tai said that the open-government principles of “transparency, participation and accountability” must be implemented across every government department. Faced with an actual petition, transparency gave way to deflection, participation became window dressing, and accountability disappeared.

Let’s see if anything will come out of this…

The next step will by a Control Yuan petition - but I’ll probably wait with that one until the CY is operating again. By then, I can probably add the results of my Cathay complaint that’s currently being processed by the FSC to make this a big submission highlighting the issue across public and private sector.

Two years ago, I complained to E.SUN bank that I was unable to use the e-payment functionality of E.SUN Wallet. They told me they’re unable to provide this to foreign nationals because of … reasons.

Now as a ROC national (and not one of those foreigners that are so difficult to support!), their app tells me that a national ID card is required.

Of course, this means another complaint is incoming… :whistle:

Hello E.SUN Bank Complaints Team,

I am writing because I still cannot activate E.SUN Wallet electronic payment or join e.Fingo, despite now meeting the conditions E.SUN previously outlined to me.

I formerly resided in Taiwan as a foreign national holding an Employment Gold Card. In 2024, I complained about being unable to activate E.SUN Wallet. E.SUN’s letter No. XXXXXXX said that applications by foreign nationals remained under “continuing evaluation” and that the service process and information system still needed to be built.

I subsequently acquired ROC nationality and am now a national without household registration in the Taiwan Area (NWOHR). Because I have not yet established household registration, I cannot legally obtain a National Identification Card and instead use a Taiwan Area Resident Certificate (臺灣地區居留證, TARC) and UID as proof of identity. E.SUN’s Linkou Branch verified my TARC and updated my records. Now that I am an ROC national, I expected to be able to register for E.SUN Wallet’s electronic-payment service, but was still rejected. This time, the system said that only National Identification Card holders could use the service and that foreign nationals could not register.

On the same day, I also noticed that I was unable to sign up for e.Fingo. Mobile Banking displayed “This service is currently only available for natural persons in Taiwan” (EFGMS-M007). E.SUN’s FAQ says a “domestic natural person” (本國自然人) with a primary credit card or NTD account may apply. I am a natural person in Taiwan, an ROC national, and an E.SUN NTD account holder, so I satisfy both the English system prompt and the Chinese FAQ’s stated criteria.

FSC rules expressly provide for resident-certificate verification; fair-treatment principles call for fair and inclusive service, and Immigration Act Article 62 prohibits discrimination on grounds including nationality. I have activated iPASS MONEY, LINE Pay, Pi Wallet, icash Pay, PX Pay Plus, JKOPay and Easy Wallet with the same TARC and UID. Their acceptance demonstrates technical and regulatory feasibility. Among the payment services I have used, E.SUN Wallet remains the only exception.

Please answer the following:

  1. How does E.SUN define “domestic natural person”? Why does E.SUN not consider NWOHRs to be “domestic natural persons”?
  2. What specific legal, risk or policy basis supports E.SUN Wallet accepting only National Identification Cards while rejecting government-issued residence certificates?
  3. Why do I still fall under the same restriction as foreign nationals even though I am now an ROC national?
  4. What was the outcome of the 2024 “continuing evaluation”? What work remains, and when will it be completed?
  5. Why am I unable to join e.Fingo despite meeting its published qualifications? How and when will E.SUN correct this?