by now, @Malasang88 should know better:
edit: i added another paragraph from the quote, since it really helps prove the point
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Perhaps those of you who do understand should hold some kind of training seminar for people like the Florida Citizensâ Alliance, so that they donât embarrass themselves so badly under even the gentlest questioning.
How are they embarrassing themselves? Iâm not up to date on what theyâre doing.
Actually Iâm not sure John McWhorter is in favor of the bans, he gets asked that question @16.30 in the above clip. His worry is the bans can be misrepresented to mean something other than what people are really concerned about, which is discussed in the rest of the video which I completely agree with.
Check out the interview in the first few minutes of the Vice video above.
fair enough, but heâs hardly pro-CRT
personally, i wish it hadnât gotten to the point where such bans seem like the only option. if there were room to discuss a variety of options, we wouldnât be at this point
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i donât think everyone who holds an opinion should be responsible for the least common denominator; there are fools on both sides
for me, it still comes back to what we teach children (my vote is stereotypes and prejudice are a bad thing to teach)
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For sure, but accuracy is important, I was asked about the bans and was of the mind âI donât knowâ, itâs ok not to know everything, I can see both sides of the issue.
Ya, I get that the video presents the FCA as being issue driven instead of fact based. It is a video that starts off by saying they are on a âcrusadeâ against CRT. It is also a VICE production where they have the ability to edit their show in a way to present their truth.
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agreed, i misstated his position and thanks to you for the correction. my point can stand with the correction, though. and frankly, you were only in a position to point out the error since you have bothered to watch that interview
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Maybe we need an equally respectable video.
Notice that the woman who starts it off is teaching this garbage to a group of adults.
Actually, Iâve made it 5 minutes into this and it is pretty good. I might try the whole hourâŚ
edit: 12 minutes in and i feel i have made a poor comparison, this is way better than anything iâve ever seen from vice
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No doubt Vice has its own angle, but I have some trouble imagining that the FCA founder laid out a coherent defense of his thesis that CRT was infecting that particular curriculum, and they managed to edit it down into what came out. He specifically says the training material talks about âequity vs equalityâ but then âcanât recallâ whether it actually says that or not. At best he is woefully unprepared for the interview.
Certainly. Still, if these are the people fighting school boards on the issue (in either direction), itâs hard to imagine a sensible result emerging.
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There are a variety of people fighting the school boards on this, it is just easier to straw man by holding up the worst examples. I hold the teachers and professors up to a higher standard than the average citizens, myself.
I donât imagine a sensible result emerging, sensibility was thrown out the window years ago.
Iâd be interested in seeing a version of that interview (or anything like it) that does actually go into the curriculum or training materials in question. Iâve seen some pretty ridiculous stuff from third-party training companies, like the âequitable mathâ thing I made fun of earlier in this thread. But I donât immediately recall any examples of officially adopted materials. Any suggestions?
what interview?
Third party companies are often used in the US K12 public system; there are examples up-thread, including one company where the school board is refusing to show what has been taught. That was a fairly recent topic with a few postsâŚ
Read the thread.
edit: i just scrolled up and didnât have to go very far to find âabolitionist teaching networkâ, there are other examples on the thread.
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Being prepared doesnât presuppose validity. Iâm with you that he was edited to look foolish.
Seems you mis-read. Even with being unprepared for an interview, he repeated the same points over and over of equity vs. equality and culturally responsive training yet couldnât point to where that was demonstrated in the training documents that he himself printed out. If the grassroots is relying on buzzwords they can neither define nor point out in curriculum/training materials, then itâs clearly only about being a culture warrior. As evidenced by him blaming âthe leftâ in his interview. If indoctrination were everywhere you should at least be able to point it out. None of the PowerPoints Iâve seen supposedly presented as evidence from Rufo are able to effectively point out this indoctrination either.
Let me know if thereâs a happy ending.
Is it possible that the reporterâs advance team told the guy what they would be discussing and at the time of the interview, they threw him a curve ball? Itâs very easy to make someone look a certain way through edit and misdirection.
Why didnât VICE interview that doctor fella or any number of academics highlighting the problems with the issue? Some old South Florida guy being unprepared for an interview is not much of a gotcha.
Edit: And yes, picking the Florida Citizensâ Alliance as the go to experts to denigrate is very low hanging fruit. Anybody with fingers and Google can check their history of batshit crazy issues. It is very disingenuous to cite them as your people of ignorance.
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had to take a break, back on it now. at about 25 minutes she points out that the right fighting this based on partisan lines is only going to result in âtwo reactionary sides of the same coinâ fighting against each other. a lot to like in her opinions, in my opinion!
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