Not sure I follow you, but philosophy has always been connected to the sciences. Usually at some point the discussion, one says, “Well, now we’re talking chemistry— or engineering…”
The purpose of this sliver of physical existence at the beginning of our eternal life is to allow us to freely choose who and where we want to be for eternity. So the real question isn’t so much what is the purpose of eternal life but what is the purpose of this temporary exile to a place where everything eventually dies and decays.
Well that’s certainly one perspective. Wittgenstein would say you clearly belong to a group of role
Playing language gamers.
When you receive external confirmation of your thesis — your purpose— this endless hierarchy , please share .
Imma go with Popper’s falsification deal.
The fact that there’s no irrefutable proof of life after death or God’s existence isn’t a bug. It’s a feature. Most Christians don’t understand this. They think God is unable to prove his existence to people here on earth for some reason so he needs us to do it for him, even though we’ve failed miserably at it for centuries.
The reason for this is that when we choose who and where we want to be for eternity God wants it to be from the heart and not from the intellect.
At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth I openly and joyfully acknowledge Your great wisdom, that You have hidden these things these spiritual truths from the wise and intelligent and revealed them to those seeking your will and purpose.
And yet, no.
Correct. God has chosen for his existence to be hidden from the wise and learned and revealed to those who seek his will and purpose.
That seems awfully convenient.
OK, so, now that I’m back from the farm, . Allow me
To respond.
You seem to have created —or borrowed more likely — an Unfalsifiable loop. So I hope you’re not intending your thesis to be taken logically.
You’re also begging the question via circular reasoning. Using scripture as a source? Hmm, did you already believe in Gods plan before Matty and Luke dropped this gem on you? I bet you did.
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Hoc rescue is just great sophistry: it’s a feature, not a bug. ![]()
Your thesis cannot be tested and you say that was god’s intention. Give that, how do you know this to be true? ![]()
Seems to
Me you’re playing house with half a deck and the player’s cards are imaginary but they should believe that you have the higher hand cuz because.
Btw, @QuaSaShao I am very interested in continuing this conversation.
I’m not trying to convince anyone of the truth of my beliefs regarding life after death, the existence of God, or the meaning of (this) life. I couldn’t if I tried because, by design, there’s no irrefutable evidence that God and the spiritual realm even exist. If God did want to prove his existence to all humanity though it would take him about five minutes.
I’m happy to share my beliefs about any of these spiritual issues though but concede from the start that I can’t produce logical arguments and hard evidence to support those beliefs because I didn’t arrive at them via some intellectual process. They were revealed to me because I sought answers to spiritual questions with an open heart.
“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened."
– Jesus
A philosophical question then, if we’re expected to make such a consequential choice while only provided with such imperfect information, can we truly be said to be choosing freely?
Since most people are indoctrinated into their religion starting in infancy, by their parents, the question of free choice is pretty moot on the whole.
That’s why God became human and came to earth to teach us the Gospels. They contain almost all the information I need to understand the purpose of (this) life. Anything else I need to understand the Holy Spirit teaches me.
Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit
If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and keeps them is the one who loves me. The one who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love them and show myself to them.”
First of all, I appreciate your willingness to share your thoughts. I am not trying to dismantle your relationship with your god— as if I could! I am trying to understand it, and I’d rather not just stare at the logical impasse.
From my perspective, which is stubborn and wobbly, but rational, I see your relationship as a closed loop. A subjective revelation cannot be challenged, verified or unfalsified— odd in a way given your analytical approach to mechanical engineering. You seem to be saying that you are immune to reason in this discussion— not across the board— because your belief is not based in reason, is that about right?
I’ve heard, read and seen similar testimonies , from Jews, Muslims and Catholics— the latter being a friends mother who was so convinced she was going to heaven she made her daughter do a spit take at the dinner table when that final destination was announced.
I am curious about your thoughts on those others who also believe in subjective closed loop systems. Muslims, for example, who are born into the faith and don’t have an intellectual or spiritual revelation like you had .
Sure, obviously I get that from your perspective, but it doesn’t answer my question:
No, we don’t have the option of choosing freely according to the many Christians who believe in Predestination. God is omniscient and all powerful. He knows from the moment you’re born whether or not you’re going to Hell. Whether or not you as an individual have any say in the matter or not is up for debate. Catholics balk at this notion as robbing man of his free will, while Calvinists take the logic of a God that can see into the future to its logical conclusion.
I fully understand that. I’m more thinking about a philosophy that could be applied in general, regardless of which religion you believe in or none.
Life after death is the happy ending we all want to be true. Unless you are bad then you don’t get it. Not serious philosophy.
Not me. I want for there to be nothing and to also be totally unaware of it or the lack there of.
