The rise of fascism in Austria and Europe

I would like to call this article crap. In fairness, it is from the Daily Mail. I have only spent a few days in Austria.

I am just going to post some quotes from the article, not the whole thing.

dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive … stria.html

In Austria’s recent general election, nearly 30 per cent of voters backed extremist right-wing parties. Live visits the birthplace of Hitler to investigate how Fascism is once again threatening to erupt across Europe.

recent unprecedented gains in Austria were made on a platform of fear about immigration and the perceived threat of Islam.

FPO leader Heinz Christian Strache, for example, described women in Islamic dress as ‘female ninjas’.

Emboldened by the new power in parliament, neo-Nazi thugs have desecrated Muslim graves.

Recently, in Hitler’s home town of Braunau, a swastika flag was publicly unveiled.

The FPO wants to legalise Nazi symbols,

‘The Jew on Wall Street is responsible for the world’s current economic crisis.
It is the same now as in 1929 when 90 per cent of money was in the hands of the Jew. Hitler had the right solutions then,’ he says, invoking the language of Goebbels.

[i]Schweiger’s lectures are full of hate and prejudice. He refers to Jews as ‘intellectual nomads’ and says poor Africans should be allowed to starve.

‘The black man only thinks in the present and when his belly is full he does not think of the future,’ he says. ‘They reproduce en masse even when they have no food, so supporting Africans is suicide for the white race.
‘It is not nation against nation now but race against race. It is a question of survival that Europe unites against the rise of Asia. There is an unstoppable war between the white and yellow races. In England and Scotland there is very strong racial potential.
Our time is coming again and soon we will have another leader like Hitler

‘Of course I am a racist, but I am a scientific racist,’ he adds, as if this is a justification. [/i]

:noway:

I want to believe that all Austrians are nice people and so I will. Good Beer and good people in Austria.

I don’t remember seeeing articles like this about Britian 5 years ago… back then stunts like this is something they mocked the USA for. :aiyo:
google.com/hostednews/afp/ar … _LlBWL1qzA
Mind your language: Postmaster insists on English
1 day ago

LONDON (AFP) — A Sri Lankan-born man who came to Britain 17 years ago is refusing to serve customers in his post office unless they speak English, media reported Thursday.

Deva Sumarasiri, 40, whose shop is in a racially mixed inner-city area, believes he has to stand up for the English language because otherwise the social fabric of the country will disintegrate.

Asians, eastern Europeans and others coming to his post office in Nottingham, central England, to claim state benefits or post letters must speak English or they will not be served, he said.

“If you don’t want to be British, go home,” he told the Daily Mail newspaper. “The fabric of the nation begins to unravel if we don’t all speak the same language.”

Sumarasiri, who flies British flags in his front garden, added: "An Asian woman came in here yesterday and I insisted she spoke to me in English.

“She replied she preferred to speak in her mother tongue but I told her Britain was now her motherland and she should speak English.”

:thumbsdown:

Oh, how I wish I could see the future!

Are you British? The Daily Mail is written for aspiration working class/lower middle class retarded people. Don’t take it seriously. The people who read it have no power, and no say in anything. Most of them don’t even vote.

Having said that, Britain is overdue a swing to right after having had a centre left government for a long time. Immigration and opening up of the EU has been something that has been welcomed by certain demographics across Europe but bitterly opposed by others is bound to cause some conflict. It’s what happens in Europe: swings to the left and right.

The Post Office thing is yet another stupid Mail story. The not particularly hidden subtext is that ‘eee’s a ‘good’ immigrant, see? We’re not racialist, we’ve got nothing against those ones that work for a living and speak English.’

The other press are running a story about a Sudanese guy who lost his asylum appeal to remain in the UK and was shot in the back of the head as soon as he left the airport, on his return. Britons are also alarmed and disgusted by stories like that. But arguably, opening up immigration to legal immigrants/economic migrants from new EU states is starting to turn the tide of public opinion against deserving cases such as asylum seekers, especially with the competition for jobs in the current economic climate.

Tangentially, there has, apparently, been a lot of coverage in Austria about the discriminatory press coverage by Britain since the Fritzl case. A lot of irrelevant playing up of Nazi links, stories about how Austrian society is fundamentally rotten, etc.

Wow Buttercup, I knew the Daily Mail wasn’t the BBC but I didn’t think it was THAT low. good to know.

Thanks for the perspective.

I’ve seen some awful stuff about Austria lately but didn’t know that the Fritzl case was the cause of it. Crazy how one bad apple really can spoil the bunch.

[quote=“Chuanzao El Ale Destroyer”]“If you don’t want to be British, go home,” he told the Daily Mail newspaper. “The fabric of the nation begins to unravel if we don’t all speak the same language.”[/quote]Good thing he’s in Nottingham rather than, oh… Cardiff. Then again, perhaps he speaks Welsh.

Pretty unlikely, in Cardiff …

[quote=“Chuanzao El Ale Destroyer”]I would like to call this article crap. In fairness, it is from the Daily Mail. I have only spent a few days in Austria.

I am just going to post some quotes from the article, not the whole thing.[/quote]

If you’re surprised, you should try reading the news from Russia and how skinhead/aryan views are becoming popular there, and then remind yourself of the NRA gun nuts who think they need to “arm themselves against Obama before he takes away their guns” or worse, “launch a pre-emptive strike against Obama” as some of the most extreme rightwing radio seems to be fomenting.

And I’m separating the piece in its own quotes so it doesn’t look like they are your words.

dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive … stria.html

[quote]In Austria’s recent general election, nearly 30 per cent of voters backed extremist right-wing parties. Live visits the birthplace of Hitler to investigate how Fascism is once again threatening to erupt across Europe.

{…}

The FPO wants to legalise Nazi symbols,

‘The Jew on Wall Street is responsible for the world’s current economic crisis.
It is the same now as in 1929 when 90 per cent of money was in the hands of the Jew. Hitler had the right solutions then,’ he says, invoking the language of Goebbels.

[i]Schweiger’s lectures are full of hate and prejudice. He refers to Jews as ‘intellectual nomads’ and says poor Africans should be allowed to starve. The black man only thinks in the present and when his belly is full he does not think of the future,’ he says. ‘They reproduce en masse even when they have no food, so supporting Africans is suicide for the white race. {…}

‘Of course I am a racist, but I am a scientific racist,’ he adds, as if this is a justification. [/i]
[/quote]

Just the other day, Pope Vindictive said “No condoms for Africa”. Clearly, he wants AIDS to spread and for adults to die and have HIV+ babies before they do. The most appalling part of such idiocy is their historical revisionism and/or historical ignorance. Much of the reason Africa is in agricultural dire straits was the enforced borders and ending of the nomadic way of life in much of Africa as perpetrated by European imperialists. There weren’t any recorded instances of mass starvation and drought 200 years ago, or even 100. Most of the problems stem from outside human actions changing the way of life that was for thousands of years.

Second, people want to ignore the origin of where such garbage comes from. What are they saying, that the thankfully-dead-by-his-own-drunken-driving Joerg Haider and other such morons are muslims? What we are seeing is a return to common christian attitudes toward jews before World War II, except that they now share that attitude towards muslims. It was, again, Pope Vindictive who not two years ago blamed “paganism” rather than catholicism for its part in the rise of Hitler’s Reich, never mind any mention of Pius XII.

Why should it surprise that such people talk this way? When they aren’t getting their way, they need an “other” to blame.

[quote=“Sleepyhead”][quote=“Chuanzao El Ale Destroyer”]I would like to call this article crap. In fairness, it is from the Daily Mail. I have only spent a few days in Austria.

I am just going to post some quotes from the article, not the whole thing.[/quote]

If you’re surprised, you should try reading the news from Russia and how skinhead/aryan views are becoming popular there, and then remind yourself of the NRA gun nuts who think they need to “arm themselves against Obama before he takes away their guns” or worse, “launch a pre-emptive strike against Obama” as some of the most extreme rightwing radio seems to be fomenting.

And I’m separating the piece in its own quotes so it doesn’t look like they are your words.

dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive … stria.html

[quote]In Austria’s recent general election, nearly 30 per cent of voters backed extremist right-wing parties. Live visits the birthplace of Hitler to investigate how Fascism is once again threatening to erupt across Europe.

{…}

The FPO wants to legalise Nazi symbols,

‘The Jew on Wall Street is responsible for the world’s current economic crisis.
It is the same now as in 1929 when 90 per cent of money was in the hands of the Jew. Hitler had the right solutions then,’ he says, invoking the language of Goebbels.

[i]Schweiger’s lectures are full of hate and prejudice. He refers to Jews as ‘intellectual nomads’ and says poor Africans should be allowed to starve. The black man only thinks in the present and when his belly is full he does not think of the future,’ he says. ‘They reproduce en masse even when they have no food, so supporting Africans is suicide for the white race. {…}

‘Of course I am a racist, but I am a scientific racist,’ he adds, as if this is a justification. [/i]
[/quote]

Just the other day, Pope Vindictive said “No condoms for Africa”. Clearly, he wants AIDS to spread and for adults to die and have HIV+ babies before they do. The most appalling part of such idiocy is their historical revisionism and/or historical ignorance. Much of the reason Africa is in agricultural dire straits was the enforced borders and ending of the nomadic way of life in much of Africa as perpetrated by European imperialists. There weren’t any recorded instances of mass starvation and drought 200 years ago, or even 100. Most of the problems stem from outside human actions changing the way of life that was for thousands of years.

Second, people want to ignore the origin of where such garbage comes from. What are they saying, that the thankfully-dead-by-his-own-drunken-driving Joerg Haider and other such morons are muslims? What we are seeing is a return to common christian attitudes toward jews before World War II, except that they now share that attitude towards muslims. It was, again, Pope Vindictive who not two years ago blamed “paganism” rather than catholicism for its part in the rise of Hitler’s Reich, never mind any mention of Pius XII.

Why should it surprise that such people talk this way? When they aren’t getting their way, they need an “other” to blame.[/quote]

I don’t really follow what you’re saying. Are you saying that the whole world is ripe for a return to fascism?

I don’t want to get up in arms about a daily mail article. But how much of what that article says has akernel of truth to it?

Buttercup: I am curious: is there still resentment in Britian over Austria’s role in WWII? Is it really that petty, or does Austria have some unsavory characteristics to this day?

I am not trying to accuse Austria af anything, these are just questions I have,

It’s not happening in Britain, but there is a certain annoyance at high levels of immigration imposed by the government/EU rules. It’s very much a working class/middle class thing and it’s easy to sneer at the racist proles, but then again middle class people don’t have to compete for jobs, housing, welfare money, etc, with migrants.

Very well put. I never thought about that before.

This artilce is long, but I really enjoyed it.
economist.com/world/europe/d … d=13234963

But there is another reason why Mr Gyurcsany’s cold-war rhetoric failed to resonate: another period, the 1930s, haunts Europe even more. This year violent anti-government protests in Greece, Latvia, Bulgaria and Lithuania have spooked leaders across the EU. The European elections are in June. This time, extremists on right and left may do well—including in Hungary, home to some of Europe’s least savoury political groups. Could 1930s economics lead Europe back to 1930s politics?

Sorry, but I would have to disagree with this. Where are you getting this stuff? Africa not facing droughts and mass starvation until the Europeans came along? I thought that Third Worldism had already died and long been buried and that the mourners had other gone off laughing insanely or sniffling quietly.

I don’t know about how plausible it is for facism to spread again in Europe, but Russia seems like a good candidate. You could argue it has already become a pseudo-democratic facist country. Racist attacks are pretty rampent there and at times they are supported by politicians. The new surge in Russian nationalism also seems to be just feeding this.

The thugs who go out and beat up random dark-skinned immigrants/tourists idolize the Nazi movement which makes no sense since the Nazis killed more Slavs than they did anybody else- not counting the jews.

youtube.com/watch?v=fRScPVDSD6k

this bodes well for the west. we can fight the nazis all over again, rebuild europe this time without the Reds, and in doing so, rebuild our own economy. it’s win-win.

Sorry, but I would have to disagree with this. Where are you getting this stuff? Africa not facing droughts and mass starvation until the Europeans came along? I thought that Third Worldism had already died and long been buried and that the mourners had other gone off laughing insanely or sniffling quietly.[/quote]

Given the shortage of writing and archives, there were not much records of anything in sub-saharan africa before the Europeans arrived. I recall that back when I studied history, how to piece together sub-Saharan history before the europeans arrived was a bit of an issue. They tried to develop a historical analysis method for dealing with oral chronicles brought down through the ages, however what if anything came of that is something I don’t know.

Since most of the world has suffered from mass starvation etc., until quite recently, I think that you are out of your debht when stating that Africa was any different.

I for one think that Europe is not up for another bout of facism.

The only areas where resurgent fascism seems to be a problem is in Austria and Germany. Must be a national psychosis.

The situation is very different in Europe now than in the 1930s, human rights exist for all ethnic groups now in Europe, even the basically stateless such as Romany. There are not large populations of other ethnic groups ‘stuck’ over the border in another country except for in the Baltic states. Most nation states in the EU have been democratic and stable for many decades if not centuries now. There is no popular facist movement although there is a lot of general unrest. Yugoslavia has already broken up and that would have been the main worry. Freedom of movement and work is well entrenched. Generally EU citizens know they have more to lose than win by leaving EU which is what a turn to facism would mean. For instance Ireland has voted no to the Lisbon treaty last year, however it’s very likely it would get a yes vote now as people see how important EU it is to stability (without the Euro Ireland, Spain, Greece and Italy would most probably be bankrupt states with their currencies imploded like Iceland), especially of smaller nations. Even in the UK there is more recogniscance of the power of the Euro with sterling collapsing. Also, Europeans have not forgotten WWII and it’s lessons, they are still well known even by young people.

I am by no means an expert on this but it was my understanding that despite killing off all the Jews in Germany and Austria that there is still a strong sentiment of anti-Semitism in both nations. Surely, the presence of large numbers of anti-Semitic skinheads in both is a cause of worry.

What’s large number, 1% of the population? The most anti-semitic groups in Europe are the Muslim immigrants, by far! If there are any groups that would be targeted it would be recent immigrants but even then I think it is not going to happen to any great degree. I think there are different problems in different countries…I’m not familiar with the situation in Hungary…
Prior to WWII there was a massive amount of anti-semitism in the general population as they blamed the Jews on wrecking their currencies and ‘profiteering’. Jewish people were very visible and successful in business and the professions even though they were heavily discriminated against. There was also a very substantial Jewish population in central Europe at that time, unfortunately the current Jewish population of Europe is a shadow of what it once was, there’s just no visibility there. Some historians say that WWII was also not predicted prior to it actually happening but I think it’s obvious to anybody that Europe was a flashpoint at that time similar to the way the Middle East is a flashpoint now with lots of unresolved tensions between nations and ‘races’ in the area. The age profile of Europeans is also older now and I think that’s very significant.

Actually, it was 30 to 40%. Now, this might include the Muslim groups within those nations but … are you differentiating ala the Germans and Austrians who is not “truly” German or Austrian? and thus the Muslims despite being citizens or living there for a long time, do not? Just checking…

Ah yes, the Muslims. See my point above. I recognize that they are quite anti-Semitic.

Hmmm. My understanding was that, despite the lack of Jews, that the Germans and Austrians continued to display remarkably anti-Semitic attitudes and this was a source of great confusion to sociologists studying both societies. This differed greatly from the Latin societies and even the UK. Again, just a quick point of reference. Haider was considered anti-Semitic, no? and he got 35% of the vote I think… and given his anti-foreigner references, I doubt very much that he was attracting large numbers of Muslims to support him. I guess that leads us back to: what is it about the Jews that seems to roil the German psyche so? even despite their near total absence from Germany society? This must be a very deep and evil root planted very firmly in the German concept of identity and reaction to the Other. It is almost as if the Jew had to be invented for the German concept of identity to take place, and that it did so around an extremely virulent violence.