The Sign of the Collapse of the CCP

CCP is going to its end.

theepochtimes.com/news/5-6-19/29653.html

I really think a source besides the Epoch times would make this thread a bit more credible. :laughing:

[quote=“tomtom taiwan”]I really think a source besides the Epoch times would make this thread a bit more credible. :laughing:[/quote]No matter thae source, which the OP has plainly shown, the relevant Q should be - Is the information presented accurate?

Epoch Times has opened a window into some terrible situations in the PRC that probably would never have been made public.

To chose to ignore or discard info which has been verifies by other sources simply because one source is suspect is les than valid reasoning.
As the saying goes - “Trust…but verify.”

If there is anything credible or even remotely worthwhile in that article, it’ll be a first for Lizi and probably an accident.

I wasn’t insinuating that the Epoch Times never prints anything that is true. I simply meant that it is well known that, like the People’s Daily, it is a propaganda machine. I would not trust a People’s Daily article to comment fairly and comprehensively on 99 percent of what goes on in Taiwan.

I have more sympathy for the Epoch Times, but that does not mean that I trust them to comment comprehensively on the state of the CCP. Furthermore, any thread that would use one of their articles as a source is completely built around one-sided coverage.

Thats all.

[quote=“Lizi1118”]CCP is going to its end.
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Whew! That’s a relief! Maybe now we’ll no longer be assailed by Lizi’s ravings.

tomtom - find the Falun Gong threads. Lizi has all the credibility of a thing with no credibility at all. Doesn’t matter what source he uses, even if the article is correct, he’s not. Guaranteed.

[quote]CCP is going to its end.[/quote] :laughing: :unamused: (plop. my head falling off)

Anyone who’s lived in China must surely know two things:

  1. The Chinese Communist Party has long since ceased to be communist. It is now just another fascist party promoting ultra-nationalism “Zhong-guo uber alles” and very little else, while economically it is more capitalist than most Western European states. So in that sense, the CCP is long dead.

  2. Any thought or claim of imminent change, or the downfall of the party (as it stands in name form), is not a new idea. People have been saying this for 26 years. We are no nearer that day now then we were then, except in the technical sense of this being 26 later in history.

The Chinese government has masterfully managed to enrich its people (the lucky ones anyway) while maintaining an ideological vacuum, other than for a minor blip in 1989. There is as little independent thought today as ever.

Some interesting examples of strategies that work well when trying to keep the people towing the line, all of which were the case at my university in China (and still are as far as I know):

  1. Compulsory Socialism (subtley changed from “Marxism”) classes for every student up to and including PhD level studies. It teaches authority of the state, blind obedience, glorifies the leaders (Am I hearing Nazi overtones here or what) while espousing free market capitalism with “Chinese characteristics”.

  2. Blast everyone with slogans like “This is a cultured airport / train / football stadium”, “Let’s work for a well-off, harmonious society” and “Let’s stand together to fight SARS” without explaining how that should be done eg. not spitting on the street, pushing into line, swearing at the other team or the ref etc. The message gets accepted without there being any change (Animal Farm?). People are convinced the government is making things better for them, when, outside of economics, it is not.

  3. Make overseas internet sites more expensive to visit, to discourage any interest in the outside world that somehow has escaped stunting through strategies 1 & 2.

Of course, don’t just use these. Use all the oldie but goodie ones like re-education camps for those who speak up too much, self-criticism and blocking outside websites such as CNN whenever a sensitive moment such as the Party’s Congress comes up (unless you have powerful friends like Microsoft and Yahoo who offer to do the censorship job for you!).

This is the reality in China today. Everyone said that when Hu Jin Tao took over, things would change; he’s a reformer, they insisted. Wake up, folks. Can you imagine the witch-hunt that would take place if the government did ever open up. It’s a risk they’re not willing to take.

Awwwww DNS! Quit spoiling Lizi’s fun.

Don’t worry Lizi, I for one believe you, just as I believe your chief puppeteer can walk through walls and fly. :laughing:

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“tomtom taiwan”]

Epoch Times has opened a window into some terrible situations in the PRC that probably would never have been made public. [/quote][/quote]

The value of Epoch Times:

A human being’s fundamental right is the right to be heard. Epoch Times upholds and defends freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly and freedom of belief, and for all human rights, for all people.

[quote=“Lizi1118”]The value of Epoch Times:

A human being’s fundamental right is the right to be heard. Epoch Times upholds and defends freedom of the press, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly and freedom of belief, and for all human rights, for all people.[/quote]

That’s one definition of human rights, often used by western nations. The Chinese, however, would reject that definition. The Chinese have for a long time argued that the term “human rights” refers to the fundamental right of subsistence.

[quote=“DSN”][quote]CCP is going to its end.[/quote] :laughing: :unamused: (plop. my head falling off)

There is as little independent thought today as ever.[/quote]

Good point!

Many Chinese are poisoned by CCP’s evil propaganda.

Moderator’s Note: Please use elipses (…) when deleting or omitting text from a statement of another poster whome you quote. Thank you.

[quote=“Tigerman”]
That’s one definition of human rights, often used by western nations. The Chinese, however, would reject that definition. The Chinese have for a long time argued that the term “human rights” refers to the fundamental right of subsistence.[/quote]

That is is CCP’s evil theory, evil CCP has tried to let people think “human rights” refers to the fundamental right of subsistence, put human being to the position of the animals.

A simple example, Do the criminals in prisons have the right of subsistence?

Then Chinese people only have the right of criminals?

[quote=“DSN”][quote]CCP is going to its end.[/quote] :laughing: :unamused: (plop. my head falling off)

like re-education camps for those who speak up too much, self-criticism and blocking outside websites such as CNN whenever a sensitive moment such as the Party’s Congress comes up.[/quote]

Evil CCP controls all the media in China, and influences the media outside using benefits.

Epoch times speaks out for those who are oppressed, and cannot speak for themselves, and speaks to those in conflict, trying to show the common humanity they share, and the compassion that will help them truly respect the rights of others.

OMG the Epoch Times is the final bastion of true press freedom! Viva la revolucion!

A leader with conscience is not accepted by evil CCP, as Zhao Ziyang.

[quote=“tomtom taiwan”]People’s Daily article to comment fairly and comprehensively on 99 percent of what goes on in Taiwan.
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Not only things in Taiwan, but everything in the world. The media controled by CCP are machines producing lies.

However, epochtimes tells the facts.
What the liers against is the truth; what the evil against is the righteous.

Epoch Times certainly seems to piss off the right people.