The Singapore Myth

In another thread, Muzha Man compared the legacies of Taiwan’s CKS and Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew.

The idea that Singapore is a corruption-free meritocracy is a myth. It is a corrupt oligarchy.

I used to be, well, a long time ago, pro-Lee Kuan Yew; his anti social welfare rants were music to my ears. However, as I learnt more over the years, I have lost respect for the place, and all respect for that prick. The turning point came in the late 1980s and early 90s when I visited/lived in Thailand and Burma. Singapore’s strict drug laws stood in sharp contrast to Singapore’s friendly relations with the narco state of Burma. Following the bloody military crackdown in 1988, the Singaporean bastards were supplying the Burmese with weapons.

Another myth is the idea that the island was some undeveloped malarial swamp in the days before Lee Kuan Yew. It was the British that turned the “swamps” it into a successful and civilised city.

Gee, I wish chewy was still posting.

[quote] It was the British that turned the “swamps” it into a successful and civilised city.
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scoff!
Too bad they were so tactically obtuse when it came to WW2 defence.
Singapore’s British heritage is, much as any former Anglo colony, more a history of heinous hubris, than that of honourable heroics.

[…SiCK…]

[quote=“TheGingerMan”][quote] It was the British that turned the “swamps” it into a successful and civilised city.
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scoff!
Too bad they were so tactically obtuse when it came to WW2 defence.
Singapore’s British heritage is, much as any former Anglo colony, more a history of heinous hubris, than that of honourable heroics.

[…SiCK…][/quote]

You’re right, but they did get the “free port” concept right. Ironic what the city is today as compared to the ‘Sin Galore’ of the the past.

[quote=“almas john”]In another thread, Muzha Man compared the legacies of Taiwan’s CKS and Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew.

The idea that Singapore is a corruption-free meritocracy is a myth. It is a corrupt oligarchy.

I used to be, well, a long time ago, pro-Lee Kuan Yew; his anti social welfare rants were music to my ears. However, as I learnt more over the years, I have lost respect for the place, and all respect for that prick. The turning point came in the late 1980s and early 90s when I visited/lived in Thailand and Burma. Singapore’s strict drug laws stood in sharp contrast to Singapore’s friendly relations with the narco state of Burma. Following the bloody military crackdown in 1988, the Singaporean bastards were supplying the Burmese with weapons.

Another myth is the idea that the island was some undeveloped malarial swamp in the days before Lee Kuan Yew. It was the British that turned the “swamps” it into a successful and civilised city.

Gee, I wish chewy was still posting.[/quote]

I’m no fan of the Lee’s, however, as a way of comparison I think it was valid to say that those who worship CKS have to take into the fact that he left this place a shithole. Singapore is not a shithole and no matter what the British did they did not build the shiny clean modern metropolis with US$30,000 per capita income we see today.

As for corruption, Transparency International gives them a score of 9.3 this year, just below New Zealand, at 9.4. Taiwan gets a measly 5.7. Say what you like but Singapore has made a serious effort to eradicate corruption. Taiwan has not and it is one of the most important stumbling blocks to this island raising GDP to true first world levels.

My point was not that Singapore is the land of the free, but that its autocratic legacy outshines Taiwan’s by a mile. I wish CKS and CJK had used their power to set the development of this place properly, with clean orderly cities, a clean overall environment, an education system that stressed civic awareness, and a crackdown on organized crime. They did none of this and we are all so much poorer off than we could have been.

This rating is bollocks because the press is not free to dig up dirt on the corrupt ruling class. Perhaps the folks that are responsible for giving Singapore such a good rating are the same wankers who rate Canada as the country with the best quality of life in the world.
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I agree. The pricks in Singapore did a much better job than the pricks in Taiwan. Actually, coming to Taiwan was a bit of a shock for me. I had thought that 50 years of Japanese rule followed by four decades of military rule would have ensured an orderly people and environment. The complete chaos that is Taiwan was quite a surprise. :laughing:

P.S. Muzha Man,
As a writer you should side with free but chaotic Taiwan rather than with the more orderly but repressed island of Singapore. You really have no choice.

Just a couple points.

  1. The ratings aren’t bollocks. If TI didn’t have enough information to go on they would say so and give a tentaive rating. Giving the second highest rating in Asia argues loud and clear that they know what’s going on in Singapore.

In any case, individuals and even the top leaders can be personally corrupt without the system itself being so. Canada under the Liberals in the 90s was a a thriving, democratic, law and order kind of place despite the gross level of corruption taking place at the top, including the prime minister’s office.

  1. I do side with chaotic Taiwan. My only point (and it was in another thread) was those who remember the Chiang era fondly need to face up to the rather mediocre job those two did. As you said, 50 years of Japanese rule and 4 decades of martial law should have kept this place in tip top shape. As leaders the Chiangs have a lot to answer for.

[quote=“Muzha Man”]I’m no fan of the Lee’s, however, as a way of comparison I think it was valid to say that those who worship CKS have to take into the fact that he left this place a shithole. Singapore is not a shithole and no matter what the British did they did not build the shiny clean modern metropolis with US$30,000 per capita income we see today.

As for corruption, Transparency International gives them a score of 9.3 this year, just below New Zealand, at 9.4. Taiwan gets a measly 5.7. Say what you like but Singapore has made a serious effort to eradicate corruption. Taiwan has not and it is one of the most important stumbling blocks to this island raising GDP to true first world levels.

My point was not that Singapore is the land of the free, but that its autocratic legacy outshines Taiwan’s by a mile. I wish CKS and CJK had used their power to set the development of this place properly, with clean orderly cities, a clean overall environment, an education system that stressed civic awareness, and a crackdown on organized crime. They did none of this and we are all so much poorer off than we could have been.[/quote]

:bravo:
Well said.
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I think the real myth is successful capitalism leads to greater democracy.

The real myth is that academic presupposition or outright denial are not as important as trying to hold the tenuous middle ground of objectivity.
bobepine is right.
I’m a dreamer…

In many ways, I actually respect Singapore’s accomplishments, particularly its rapid economic development. In a relatively short period of time, it has gone from being a mosquito infested third-world country (albeit one with strong British institutions) in 1965 to being Southeast Asia’s air-conditioned “Switzerland” more than four decades later.While I can understand Lee Kuan Yew’s authoritarianism upon independence in 1965–when Singapore was under threat from Communist bandits in Malaysia, from Indonesian President Sukarno’s aggressive “Konfrontasi” foreign policy, and from a number of internal Communist-led racial riots --what about the authoritarianism of later times? Once Suharto saved Indonesia and rightfully decimated the PKI, and things in Malaysia settled down, where was the external threat to Singapore? Once the PAP destroyed the Barisan Socialis as a political party and won the hearts and minds of the populace, where were the internal threats? Instead of loosening his hold on power, Lee became even more stubborn and authoritarian. He still kept the ISA on the books, still promoted eugenics (despite having Albino family members), still appointed torture specialists and spies to media outlets, still mercilessly went after opponents within and outside of the party, and still preached “Asian values” at every opportunity.

I would argue that having these authoritarian controls do not encourage innovation in today’s information age–they hinder it. In fact, I would argue that Singapore today is a lot more of an unequal country than Taiwan is (e.g. it has a much higher Gini coefficient), which is ironic since the PAP once called itself a Socialist party and was a member of Socialist International. Furthermore, while the KMT in Taiwan and the PAP in Singapore were built upon Marxist-Leninist party structures, I would argue that the PAP is much more hierarchical,and its leaders (its MPs) are far removed from grassroots members and their daily struggles and concerns. You would never see top members of the PAP prostrating themselves to kiss the ground during campaigning, visiting night markets regularly, or wearing nutty costumes while electioneering.The PAP elite are as far removed from daily Singaporeans and this came to the forefront last year when a daughter of a PAP MP was criticized for writing on her blog about her distaste for the simple-minded heartlanders and how they don’t deserve the finer things in life.

Furthermore, despite the KMT’s corruption in old times, the Party’s land reform act in the 1950s, the aid assistance and favorable free trade agreements it received from the US, its industrialization policies under CCK, and its democratization policies under CCK and LTH, helped out a majority of Taiwan’s citizens. In Singapore, despite the high GDP per capita figures, Lee’s 100 cadres still control a majority of the island’s wealth and many “heartlanders” still live paycheque to paycheque for “coolie wages.”

Has Temasek holdings, the government’s investment arm, ever had an independent audit? :smiling_imp: Whose law firm benefits from the sale of each HDB flat (where 90 percent of Singaporeans live)? Why is the Internal Security Act still on the books after 40 years? While democracy activists complain about their stints in jail in Taiwan, do any of their sentences match the 32-year sentence of former Barisan Socialis MP Chia Thye Poh in Singapore?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chia_Thye_Poh

The affirmative action programs in Singapore are also a joke. I found a lot of the Malays were quite lazy on the job, and the Chinese were always complaining about this, but unable to do anything about it because of government-mandated quotas. In the whole country, one can only speak their mind at Speaker’s corner and racial topics are still bannned. But make no mistake about it, the Chinese run the show and are as chauvinistic as ever. I remember hearing one executive in Singapore brag that the top party members in the PRC were looking at Singapore as their role model.

Has the ruling party in Taiwan ever arrested and torured its own high-ranking officials as it did to former Singaporean Solictior General Francis Seow en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Seow or been forced-fed drugs and exiled as with former President Devan Nair in the 1980s?

[quote=“wikipedia”]
Macabre political intrigues followed the post-election excitement. Just before the election, he(Seow) was detained without trial under the Internal Security Act for 72 days, accused of having received funds from the United States and advice for the purpose of promoting democracy in Singapore. According to his account, he was subjected to torture, including sleep deprivation and intense air-conditioning. During the elections, he was criticised as being an American stooge. [/quote]

[quote=“wikipedia”]
On March 28, 1985, [President] Nair resigned in unclear circumstances. Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew stated in Parliament that Nair resigned to get treatment for alcoholism, a charge Nair hotly denied. According to Nair’s counterclaim, he resigned under pressure when their political views came into conflict and Lee threatened to seek a motion in parliament to oust him as president. Nair also alleged that he was fed drugs to make him appear disoriented, and rumours were spread about his personal life in an attempt to discredit him. [/quote]

In the 1990s and early 2000s, Singapore still routinely threatened opposition politicians with the strong arm of the law. When I worked there in my early 20s, one of my saddest sights was seeing an 80-year old opposition politician trying to hawk his autobiography at the Cold Storage Store (equivalent of Wellcome in Singapore) on Orchard Road in order to pay off his fines. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.B._Jeyaretnam

In Taiwan, I would argue that things improved quite a bit between the CKS to CCK periods. In fact, Taiwanese in a recent survery overwhelmingly chose CCK as their favorite President (Lee Teng Hui was a far second, but way ahead of CKS and CSB). Furthermore, Lee Teng Hui was able to defeat nepotism and wrestle power away from the hardliners and from Madame Chiang’s meddling after CCK’s death. Contrast this to present day Singapore. I would argue that MM Lee is well respected (albeit is feared and considered abrasive on a personal level) by a majority of Singaporeans. Is his son, the current PM, respected in the same manner? Did he really deserve to be promoted to the PM office? I would argue not at all (in one famous incident he slapped a PAP colleague who disagreed with him). Of course, if Western magazines bring up the nepotism issue, they are also threatened. Also, didn’t the present PM’s wife die in mysterious circumstances in the 1980s?

[quote=“Singaporegovt blogspot”]
First turning point was the death of his first wife, Malaysian-born medical doctor Dr Wong Ming Yang, in 1982. According to public media, she died of a heart attack shortly after giving birth to their second child. Others claim that she committed suicide by pressures from her in-laws[/quote]
singaporegovt.blogspot.com/2005_ … chive.html

On a personal level, living in Singapore was in many ways more enjoyable than living in Taiwan. It is cleaner, wages are higher for foreigners, everyone speaks English, mid-level officials help foreigners rather than make life a nuisance for them, and infrastructure is top notch if you are well educated and make good coin. For a single man in his early 20s, Orchard Road, Geylang, Batam in Indonesia, and the clubs on Mohammed Sultan Road provide perfect venues for meeting interesting people.

That being said, average Taiwanese are inherently more “friendlier” than your average Singaporean, and politics here (despite the imperfections) have progressed somewhat over the past few decades. I really couldn’t say the same thing about Singapore.

In some alternate universe Malaya (Malaysia + Singapore), Indonesia, and Brunei became a single country in the mid 20th century. Would that be better or worse than the present order? For whom? (Malays? Chinese? Christians? Tribal groups?)

discovery channel has a great documentary about Singapore

discoverychannelasia.com/ont … singapore/

Man you are completely leaving out the radical wild card from this combo…the followers of Mohammad.

Look into their treatment of the Chinese and Christians in general in these countries. Especially Malaysia and Indonesia.

Good to see you back, Chewy. I think.

Go tell that to the Chinese in Bali.

HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Good to see you back, Chewy. I think.

Go tell that to the Chinese in Bali.

HG[/quote]

Second that emotion- welcome back!

And what would a chewy post be without something deliberately outrageous
tossed in amidst all that great analysis?

I guess Singapore’s jails aren’t impregnable. Or perhaps he was helped by Malay guards inside. They say he possibly escapted to Batam :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp: Maybe he wanted to meet his seventy maidens before heading back to other parts of Indonesia. :laughing: However, in Batam, perhaps “maidens” should be replaced by “prostitutes.”

foxnews.com/story/0,2933,334217,00.html

why they don’t just immediately castrate, brainwash and keep heavily sedated any Terry Wrist that gets handed in at the local ‘hand in a bomber’ community fun day is beyond me. I mean, this is Singapore we’re talking about, and they’ve got some serious standards to maintain. Imagine how much more seriously he would have been treated if he had been, say, a chewing gum smuggler? Sheesh!

Even the Singaporean newspapers are talking about the possibility he had help from inside. That is pretty amazing in itself given the island’s tight media censorship. While I admire Singapore’s internationlization, they tend to me pretty smug sometimes about their own superiority when comparing themselves to other countries in the region. This escape proves that even in a tightly-controlled multi-racial state, terrorist groups can still get help from inside the government, especially when that government incorporates affirmative action programs that guarantee a significant percentage of state jobs to the bumiputras.

newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingne … ant-leader

Well, couldn’t they just er, rewind the security cameras until they find him?

walks with a limp, hey?

Keyser Soze, anybody? (The Usual Suspects).