The US-Mexico border thread

#1

Because we might want one. Let’s start off with:

freebeacon.com/national-security … rn-border/

So just what DID he mean to say?

I’m not a great admirer of McCain. He seems to have a knack for getting shot down over enemy territory. But at least he’s on patrol, and someone needs to be.

0 Likes

Andrew Yang 2020
#2

The New York Times takes notice…

nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us/us … exico.html

Well, I feel better now.

0 Likes

#3

To add flavor to the issue, those ISIS militants could be Chinese, Latinos, European… quite a few white folks in there. How will they know who’s the enemy? (Cue in scary movie music, Psycho will do)

Which adds to the question: why come in from Mexico when they are already in?

0 Likes

#4

[quote=“rowland”]The New York Times takes notice…

nytimes.com/2014/09/16/us/us … exico.html

[quote]
WASHINGTON — Militants for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria have traveled to Mexico and are just miles from the United States. They plan to cross over the porous border and will “imminently” launch car bomb attacks. And the threat is so real that federal law enforcement officers have been placed at a heightened state of alert, and an American military base near the border has increased its security.

As the Obama administration and the American public have focused their attention on ISIS in recent weeks, conservative groups and leading Republicans have issued stark warnings like those that ISIS and other extremists from Syria are planning to enter the country illegally from Mexico. But the Homeland Security Department, the F.B.I. and lawmakers who represent areas near the border say there is no truth to the warnings.
[/quote][/quote]
The very next line:

So the NYT article points out that a bunch of conservatives and Republicans have been running around like chickens with their heads cut off, but there is absolutely no evidence to back that up.

You should do, once you realise that these right-wing loonies are simply spraying chickenshit.
Interesting um, twist, from Fox:

Understandable- on the one hand you want to tap into the fast-growing Hispanic market; OTOH your meat and potatoes is still scaring the crap out of elderly white folks who thin the brown-skinned hordes are outside their door already (Look! There’s one of them in the White House!)

0 Likes

#5

[quote=“Icon”]To add flavor to the issue, those ISIS militants could be Chinese, Latinos, European… quite a few white folks in there. How will they know who’s the enemy? (Cue in scary movie music, Psycho will do)

Which adds to the question: why come in from Mexico when they are already in?[/quote]

It’s a long ass boarder, and it won’t get any less porous even if the US throws its entire annual budget at it. You build a fence, they dig under it. You start driving a tunnel detection device around, they move to an area where it’s difficult to drive close to. Soon, they probably will have those delivery quadcopters to airlift people over the frigging fence one at a time. It would be a waste of resources when we could goto the source and stop them there.

Plus, it is quicker for them to recruit homegrown would be terrorists over the internet.

0 Likes

#6

Please notice one of the comments regarding which is worse, the narcos and their acid baths or the militants’ decapitations. The narcos will not be happy that the ISIS guys are bringing more attention affecting their business. Plus may I remind you how two Central American kids took down a CIA operative. The maras and deep pocket coyotes will also be annoyed if they feel the heat from any control measures that impede their human trafficking business.

0 Likes

#7

While that number sounds great, if that number of experienced ISIS fighter shows up, Texan civilian forces of any kind would mostly likely be defeated. We are talking about a combat tested militia, highly adapted to securing a foothold across sparsely populated deserts with lightening speed, one which has defeated both the Syrian and Iraqi regular forces.

Texans would also need at least semiautomatic weaponries, not just hunting rifles and hand guns. The best scenario is that people are connected quickly through modern technology and gather strength at strategic locations, and people with military experience, which Texas has plenty of, would shape gun carrying citizens into fighting shape quickly.

Worst case scenario is that pockets of gun carrying citizens gets wiped out one by one without effective ways to communicate and collaborate, and their weaponries/vehicles falls into the hands of the enemy.

0 Likes

#8

Considering that’s about 4 or 5 times as many fighters as they’re estimated to have in total, the whole thing is kind of silly, but still…

Check out the right-wing gun nut sites- I think they’ve got that part covered.

Damn liberals- we told Chili’s and Chipotle’s this would happen!

[quote]and people with military experience, which Texas has plenty of, would shape gun carrying citizens into fighting shape quickly.

Worst case scenario is that pockets of gun carrying citizens gets wiped out one by one without effective ways to communicate and collaborate, and their weaponries/vehicles falls into the hands of the enemy.[/quote]

Texans do not drop and run- “These ISIS guys can have my gun when they pry it out of their my dead fingers.
And nobody touches my pick-up truck.”

0 Likes

#9

Say, now that Obama’s solved the child refugee crisis at the border, do you think he’ll get credit from all those right-wingers who were freaking out two months ago?
vox.com/2014/9/19/6550659/ob … s-ted-cruz

0 Likes

#10

Possibly relevant:

washingtontimes.com/news/201 … ut-holder/

[quote]
Two years ago the House voted 255-67 — with 17 Democrats joining the GOP — to hold Mr. Holder in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over documents from the Fast and Furious operation.

The House oversight committee had sought the documents, saying they would shed light on who knew about the botched operation, which saw federal agents knowingly let guns be sold to traffickers. Hundreds of those guns turned up at crime scenes in Mexico, and two were found at the site where U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in Arizona.

The Justice Department turned over documents related to the operation, but has refused to release documents showing the department’s own handling after a top official sent a letter saying agents never knowingly allowed guns to walk. The department later had to officially retract that claim.[/quote]

Where are those guns now?

0 Likes

#11

The border is just a line on the map that thousands of illegals walk over every day. The most common estimate is around 12M now in the US, some estimates are higher.

Sorry to troll away from the ISIS discussion, but I always remember a nearly comical piece that aired several years ago on PBS by an independent journalist who covered a common crossing area in a small border town and counted 200-300 people every night for a week (voice recordings only and he did not disclose his location). Twice every night, the single Border Patrol agent drove 20 miles along a dirt path on the border. The lookouts flashed their car lights when he was coming and when he was safely away. The illegals then crossed freely. He interviewed several as they crossed.

0 Likes

#12

In the continuing saga of “How stupid can you be and still be an elected Republican office-holder in Texas?” (Answer so far: “Who knew there were levels below brain-dead?”), Lt.-Gov.David Dewhurst®

OTOH, given that he’s a member of “American Patriot Three Percent” he’s probably not all that familiar with Roman alphabetic writing either.

[quote] Breitbart recently reported that the same militia group told them that the U.S. Border Patrol had picked up six “Special Interest Aliens” near Laredo, Texas, each one carrying 60,000 Iraqi dinars apiece.

60,000 dinars is equal to $51 in U.S. currency. [/quote]

There, Rowland- you should feel safer knowing these guys are out there on patrol.

0 Likes

#13

[quote=“MikeN”]
There, Rowland- you should feel safer knowing these guys are out there on patrol.[/quote]

Better them than nobody.

Even if not by all that much.

0 Likes

#14

And now this…

usatoday.com/story/news/nati … /17714925/

A screwup, followed by a cover-up. Seems to be a pattern.

It may be a while befre we know exactly how bad it is, but it sure doesn’t look good.

0 Likes

#15

Does not look good!

Oh, that’s okay then- because if you’re waiting to get deported while facing serious charges, you’re certainly not going to flee, are you?

0 Likes

#16

judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/ … rs-wife-2/

It’s widely alleged that Holder’s resignation was because of that court ruling.

0 Likes

#17

The timing speaks volumes.

washingtontimes.com/news/201 … ious-docs/

0 Likes

#18

Good. “He that doeth evil hateth the light” . The Obama Administration has been terrible about disclosure.

0 Likes

#19

More on the topic of disclosure:

washingtonpost.com/politics/ … story.html

Well, they didn’t get the low-info voter turnout they had hoped for. Maybe they’ll stop covering up this, that and the other thing now that the election is out of the way. Or maybe they’ll keep it out to limit the erosion of Il Douche’s political position in the upcoming battles with the legislature. There will no direct democracy for the next two years, but there will be all sorts of pressure maneuvers, gearing on what might happen in November 2016. He may or may not care about that, but his few remaining allies will.

0 Likes

#20

kvoa.com/news/n4t-investigat … ts-rifles/

0 Likes