# ★★★★★ This is a Classic Post!

**URL:** <https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883>\
**Category:** Feedback\
**Created:** [September 10, 2003, 10:36am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883 "2003-09-10T10:36:01Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![arion](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/5f8ce5/32.png) [@arion](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/arion)\
**Post date:** [March 18, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/61 "2007-03-18T17:22:04Z")

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The post right above mine at this link by [[forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.ph](http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.ph) … 822#706822]([Can't sleep. Life's like a box of Chocolates](http://tw.forumosa.com/t/cant-sleep-lifes-like-a-box-of-chocolates/36466/12)

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**Author:** ![lupillus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/a698b9/32.png) [@lupillus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/lupillus)\
**Post date:** [June 7, 2007, 11:09am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/62 "2007-06-07T11:09:49Z")

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sulavaca’s post:

[forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopi … 807#740807](http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=740807#740807)

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**Author:** ![Tigerman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@Tigerman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Tigerman)\
**Post date:** [June 29, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/63 "2007-06-29T15:08:33Z")

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[I Think Maybe I like Jolin](http://tw.forumosa.com/t/i-think-maybe-i-like-jolin/36967/1) THREAD

:bravo:

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**Author:** ![kate.lin](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/k/45deac/32.png) [@kate.lin](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/kate.lin)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/64 "2007-11-18T17:04:15Z")

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It’s near the end of 2007. Will admins or mods select the classic posts of 2007?

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**Author:** ![GooseEgg](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/gooseegg/32/142672_2.png) [@GooseEgg](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/GooseEgg)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2007, 8:50pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/65 "2007-11-18T20:50:33Z")

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> [@kate.lin](#):
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> It’s near the end of 2007. Will admins or mods select the classic posts of 2007?

actually admins, mods AND members select Classic Posts (see above posts) you just email the admins @ [forumosa.com](http://forumosa.com) so they can edit the Classic Posts list. Like most things on Forumosa, we count on you to tell us what you need

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**Author:** ![anon38216271](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@anon38216271](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon38216271)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2007, 1:48am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/66 "2007-11-19T01:48:35Z")

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[Buttercup posted:](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/utterly-sick-of-taiwan-pissed-off-always-angry/41531/10)

> [@](#):
>
> This long and winding post may be relevant to you. Forgive the presumptuousness if it isn’t.
> 
> I don’t do culture shock and I don’t really care where I live, having left my parents when I was 7. I have regularly dealt with severe depression since my early teens. I believe it to be partly hereditary, with an (un)healthy dose of the usual kind of traumas that children often experience.
> 
> I have generally been ‘against’ treatment for a lot of my adult life because psychiatrists, counsellors and psychologists are generally horrible, awful and stupid and they did me some serious damage as a teenager, but nowadays, the drugs actually do work. I got to the point where I really didn’t have a choice, though. Good therapists are out there, you just have to hunt around for one that is not mentally retarded…
> 
> The causes and the symptoms of depression are not anyone’s ‘fault’, but you can learn to recognise them and manage them so you can feel at peace in your own skin. Part of this is just learning to notice and accept your feelings without judging them. Don’t get into stupid dialogues with yourself; ‘I’ve been in bed all day, I’m so lazy, I’ll never get anywhere, my life is a mess’. That’s wrong. You slept all day because you were ill and tired. Get over it, it’s no big deal. Now smile and go and do something you want to.
> 
> All behaviour has its reward even at a simple biological level. You are doing X because you are trying to make Y feel different. The next step is to think of positive ways to change Y, instead of sleeping, getting irritable, drinking, or whatever the X things we don’t want to do are. The real trick is learning how to recognise your ‘Y’s and internalise those new ‘X’ actions.
> 
> Consider getting treated for depression. If you are severely depressed, you can’t ‘cure’ it yourself. If you seriously think you are clinically depressed, treatment will give you back your mind, your energy and your intelligence enough to figure out what you need. If you weren’t depressed and were simply in a funk, the process will clear your mind, anyway.
> 
> Culture shock is real and it’s hard to figure out whether you are depressed in reaction to your environment or not. If so, changing your environment will help, obviously. My advice to you would be to give yourself a time limit to stay or leave. But really, it’s not such a big question as you think it is. You might be focusing on this as a side issue. Maybe you aren’t, I don’t know you.
> 
> Other people
> 
> Do what makes you happy. I don’t mean ‘in the big scheme of things’, I mean, right this second. It’s different for everyone. I read, walk in the mountains, take baths, listen to music, write. I used to feel upset when people told me to socialize more, or go and commune with nature, because they didn’t ‘get’ how utterly impossible that was for me at the time. It made me angry when people thought I would lose this racking emptiness by looking at trees, even though I know they were trying to help and reach out. Protect and look after yourself.
> 
> I absolutely can’t bear to be around anyone, when I am at my worst. I am pretty awful to be around, also because I feel so fucking awful in every single cell of my body that it is torturous to even look at others. Don’t let other people make you feel guilty about that. You have your needs and they have theirs and if these don’t coincide, get them out of your path. Their needs are probably not more important, at this particular point in time.
> 
> When you are depressed, people can and will be cruel and disappointing. This is because they can control their moods fairly easily (so can I when I’m not having a depressive episode) and so don’t always grasp that you are not choosing to be depressed, even though some of the more negative aspects of your behaviour such as apathetic, irritable seem like a choice (‘You will be depressed if you stay in bed all day!’).
> 
> At the same time, try to be kind to the people who fail you. Depression has taught me the importance of good manners. Although I fail to be kind to people I don’t like or don’t know, because when I’m ill, I’m the only person I have any sensitivity towards, I know how other people’s rampant arseholishness affects me and try not to do this to others, unless they are on my permanent and non-negotiable shitlist.
> 
> Others will be wise and kind. My best girl poured peppermint tea into me and made sure I ate broccoli and took me to the spa-pool while I stared into the mid-distance and pulled my hair out, strand by strand and understood that the last thing I wanted to do was talk about it. My best boy did my laundry and stood up for me. They made an unbelievable difference.
> 
> What you can do for yourself
> 
> Exercise is important and has a big effect on your mood but don’t go overboard because you’ll deplete your energy too much if you aren’t eating or sleeping. Moderation in all things is important. Don’t beat yourself up about it if you don’t have the energy or motivation. A ten minute walk or a couple of minutes of stretching is better than nothing.
> 
> Drink a lot of water, eat well. No sugar, alcohol or caffeine. Again, don’t beat yourself up if you ‘slip’. Take B vits, Iron, etc. The water is really important; you probably really underestimate how much you drink. It’s boring, but eating and drinking well or badly have more effect on you, physically, mentally and emotionally than you realize. No 7-11 sofa picnics. Record your intake, if this is a problem. Don’t judge yourself, just write it down and note the circumstances that led to the drunken bender, the 6 espressos or whatever your ‘poison’ is.
> 
> Entertain yourself with the books and DVDs, trashy TV, films, computer games, make stupid posts on forums, go to look at temple carvings or whatever you like. Don’t feel guilty about this; you need to recharge your body and mind. Make playlists or CDs you can listen to, if you like music.
> 
> Relax, if you can. Breathe so your belly goes out and then breathe out, all the way, for as long as it takes to breathe in. Everyone has their own way to relax. I do yoga. I don’t really enjoy it always but it makes me breathe and stretch and the discipline of a routine is good for me.
> 
> Journals and lists help you reflect on who you are and what you want. You are not your past, your location, your emotions, your intelligence, your partner, your children, your family, your home, your body, your job, your possessions or anything. All of these things can be wonderful but they can also be prisons. They can also disappear in a flash. You are what you are right now and you can change that, with a little help and self belief.
> 
> Treatment
> 
> If you need someone to make arrangements for you to see a good doctor or counsellor, PM me. I know that this is an almost insurmountable obstacle, if you can barely get out of bed. The person who helped me most did this for me when I was completely incapable of doing it myself.
> 
> Tai-Da has some good docs, if you are in Taipei, but you will need to make an appointment. The Community Center in Tianmu has some counsellors which may suit you.
> 
> Sadness is just a feeling that comes and [goes; depression isn’t and doesn’t.]

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**Author:** ![anon38216271](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/b5e925/32.png) [@anon38216271](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/anon38216271)\
**Post date:** [November 19, 2007, 2:10am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/67 "2007-11-19T02:10:11Z")

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Housecat posted:

> [@Is it really obscene to indulge yourself?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/is-it-really-obscene-to-indulge-yourself/41509/29):
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> WARNING: VERY LONG. SORRY.
> 
> Well, I took the poll option, “Is giving to charity becomming redundant?” To mean, are you so poor you need charity!
> 
> I grew up in abject, gritty poverty, righ here in the States. We almost never had electricity, seldom had running water (we “borrowed” our water by the bucket full from the neighbor), and the only meals we ate while in school were the free lunches at school. Durring summer months, my brother and I collected cans and pop bottles from the neighborhood dumpsters and cashed them in. We ate on an average of a dollar and a half a day and split that food between us and our mother.
> 
> That is simply unimaginable to most people, but it was my life. There are many reasons for this. As I was a child/teen durring these years, I had nothing to do with my situation and did not understand it.
> 
> I remember feeling simply astounded that there were people who could eat at McDonald’s whenever they felt like it. Kids who always had clean clothes and who were never hungry when they went to bed. People just had no idea what they took for granted. I used to wish that those people could see me. They never seemed to.
> 
> As an adult who grew up that way, I have some very strong feelings about giving to charity. As a child, I used to swear that I would never have anything I didn’t need even once I had the money to buy those things, because I knew there were people in the world who could eat for a week for what some people spend on one meal in McDonald’s. Of course, that’s not how things have worked out for me.
> 
> When I had money for things, I found that I honestly didn’t desire many of the things that people seem to “need,” especially here in America. I don’t have any desire for a large t.v., or one at all, actually. I do have one, though. I would not have bought one, but once we moved back to the States, everywhere we went there was t.v. and my son got used to it. At first, I bought the t.v. and only vidios for my son, but I found that I missed the t.v., too, after living with others who watched it all the time. Still, though, if I’m home alone, it’s never on and I don’t allow my son to watch general t.v. without me. (In Taiwan I didn’t own a t.v., so my son had very little exposure to it.)
> 
> But I don’t get caught up with the best car, or the best clothes. I do, however, NEED clothes that are appropriate for work, so much nicer than I’d had growing up. And, like Maoman, I love books and prefer hard back. I also really like jewlery and I think that is directly related to having none as a kid and going to school with girls who wore rings on every finger. I also have found that many times the quality of fine things, such as guchi bags, is much better than average. I have one guchi which was a gift. I love it. I would not likely buy another one, as I just can’t see spending so much an a bag that you noting left to put into it, but I can see why people do.
> 
> So, I don’t spend a lot on indulgences, but I also do not give to charity organizations. I just do not believe those organizations help very much, as they never helped me. But I will give to street beggars. Not all, but most, and for a couple reasons. One, I just don’t know that person’s situation, or who might be depending on that person for food or shelter. I used to never give to the small boy who begged in the sub way in S. Korea, as I was sure he was being made to do this by a parent who used the money for drugs or alcohol, but I did buy him meals whenever I saw him. Yes, the parents could and should clean up their act and care for the kids, but they are not and will not. For some, maybe they simply can’t. The child is still suffering and if I can help him/her, I will try.
> 
> Also, I have a son. As a mom, each time I see someone begging I feel like I want to give simply because, God forbid it, my son my someday need something and I hope someone will give to him. I gave 20$ to a man who sat outside the local gas station with a sign that he needed gas to get to work. Gas was more than three dollars a gallon and I was almost in that position my self. What if that were my son? So I gave him the money. Was he lieing? I don’t know, but that’s not one me.
> 
> Finally, I believe that a good way to look at this kind of thing is that the most important person in the world is the person you are with. The first person to help is this person. So, when I lived in ren-wu I always stopped at 7-11 and baught a meal and a drink for the homless man who liked to sleep near the building. He would pretend to be asleep, but would grab the food as soon he thought I was far enough away. In Korea, I always bought the best tangarines in the world from the grandma who sold them on the street and paid more than she asked. I pretended not to understand the price and refused to take the change.
> 
> I’ve sponsored kids to go to camp and bought them school clothes. I know that the kinds of giving I do will never make a true change in a person’s life. But I believe that with very little acception no amount of giving will. In order to change a person’s life, you must change the person. After all, a child who grew up like I did doesn’t usually every break out of the lifestyle of need. I’m an unusual case and I can’t even explain all of what makes me different. However, I don’t try to change their lives, just to improve it for a moment or two. I’m only human, and I’m only one. I think a moment or two of improvment is a good goal.
> 
> And trust me, anyone who ever did give anything to improve my life, I have not forgotten. I may not ever have known their names, but I remember them, their faces if I saw them, and what they did. And you better believe I knew when they were only doing it for themselves. Using a person never helps them, no matter what their situation is. You may bandage one kind of problem, but you alway cause another kind of wound.
> 
> Anyway, I always think why the people are where they are is not my business. It’s my business to do what I can, if I can do anything. That’s it.
> 
> Now, I’m in a situation again where I’m having trouble making rent. I know this is only temporary, but it’s still tough. So, for now, charitable giving is indeed redundant, but when I can again, I will. I have a responsibility to my fellow human. And as a Christian, though a very imperfect one, I’m moved greatly by thinking of Christ’s words that we do to Him as we do to the “least of these.”

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**Author:** ![Tigerman](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/ee59a6/32.png) [@Tigerman](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Tigerman)\
**Post date:** [June 27, 2008, 7:49am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/68 "2008-06-27T07:49:00Z")

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I nominate [this gem](http://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreigners-living-in-taiwan-who-dont-learn-the-language/45382/3) from Almas John.

> [@Foreigners living in Taiwan who don't learn the language](http://tw.forumosa.com/t/foreigners-living-in-taiwan-who-dont-learn-the-language/45382/3):
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> Because foreigners in Taiwan are such losers (myself included) it is necessary to establish one’s superiority over fellow waiguoren. Here’s how it is done: Length of stay in Taiwan. Chinese ability. Having a blog chronicling your sorry existence in Taiwan. You’ve written a book about Taiwan. You’ve been on the local TV. Being married to a local. And because 1-6 have become so common these are now the trump cards 7. You speak Taiwanese. 8. You have Taiwanese citizenship 9. You have served …

There now. The nomination has been [seconded and thirded](http://forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=869980#869980).

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**Author:** ![elektronisk](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/e/ea5d25/32.png) [@elektronisk](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/elektronisk)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 12:44pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/69 "2009-02-12T12:44:21Z")

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[I nominate this post by Elegua. A post like that can make your day.](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-reminder-what-is-a-bit-different-about-taiwan/49648)

> [@A Reminder What is a Bit Different About Taiwan](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-reminder-what-is-a-bit-different-about-taiwan/49648):
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> I was back in Taiwan for CNY down south in Pingtung. A part of my normal routing is stuffing myself to catch-up on a years worth of lost good eating, (China is better than HKG, but no where near Taiwan). Typically my wife and I will get on my mother-in-law’s old scooter and putter into town to have some tripe soup, (with fresh basil and a hot dipping sauce), after afterwards some shaved ice and sliced, fresh, green tomatoes with a wonderful dipping sauce made from ground new ginger, oyster sauc…

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**Author:** ![housecat](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/housecat/32/993_2.png) [@housecat](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/housecat)\
**Post date:** [February 12, 2009, 12:51pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/70 "2009-02-12T12:51:57Z")

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> [@elektronisk](#):
>
> [I nominate this post by Elegua. A post like that can make your day.](http://www.forumosa.com/taiwan/viewtopic.php?p=957834#p957834)

Thanks for the link to that post! Great! And I second the Nom.

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Jack](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/charlie_jack/32/246096_2.png) [@Charlie\_Jack](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Charlie_Jack)\
**Post date:** [November 3, 2012, 5:23am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/71 "2012-11-03T05:23:35Z")

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Here’s a portion of a classic (in my view) from February of 2004:

> [@](#):
>
> Any way, I thinky deeply in Chinese, but speak poorly in English. I think that’s how you feel most Taiwanese are boring.
> 
> I can appreciate how you feel, because I’ve also tried hard to get along with foreigners in Taiwan. I think it is really hard to cross the culture gap. All you can do is be friendly and be patient.

> [@Learning chinese difficult with locals](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/learning-chinese-difficult-with-locals/7689/11):
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> I am a local Taiwanese male working in an English learning publishing company. I used to be an English major and interested in linguistics; therefore, I’ve always trying to improve my English. Before I started this job, I looked forward to it, because I thought I would get a lot of chances to practice English with foreign English editors. However, it was another story after I started my job. Culture gap deterred my friendship with foreigners. I found the philosophy of getting things done i…

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**Author:** ![TheGingerMan](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@TheGingerMan](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/TheGingerMan)\
**Post date:** [July 17, 2014, 3:04pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/72 "2014-07-17T15:04:42Z")

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This is a Public Service Announcement:  
This post by jimipresley has been accorded Classic Post Status:

> [@A Forumosa Parody](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/a-forumosa-parody/83341):
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> [fc][/fc] TOPIC: NUCLEAR MISSILE HEADED FOR TAIWAN! Tigerman: Well that was [color=#800000]obvious[/color]. slight_smile The [color=#000080]125th amendment[/color] [color=#FF4000]CLEARLY STATES[/color] that bananas [color=#FFFF00] ARE YELLOW [/color]. Here are some links: [bananasareyellow](http://www.bananasareyellow)[republicansknowthatbananasareyellow](http://www.republicansknowthatbananasareyellow)[evenblackrepublicanseatyellowbananas](http://www.evenblackrepublicanseatyellowbananas) sunglasseslaughingsmiley :bravo: notworthy :fume: Ermintrude: Smelly boys. All they care about are banana…

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**Author:** ![housecat](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/housecat/32/993_2.png) [@housecat](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/housecat)\
**Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 2:48pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/73 "2018-01-25T14:48:13Z")

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A lot of these old links are dead and there are no new Classsic posts. Have we stopped doing this? Have we lost so many older treasures?

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**Author:** ![BiggusDickus](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/biggusdickus/32/90381_2.png) [@BiggusDickus](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/BiggusDickus)\
**Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 3:36pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/74 "2018-01-25T15:36:06Z")

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Some classics don’t last the test of time.

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**Author:** ![tempogain](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/tempogain/32/264650_2.png) [@tempogain](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tempogain)\
**Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/75 "2018-01-25T16:31:01Z")

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Indeed. I’ll try to reassemble what I can!

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**Author:** ![yyy](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/yyy/32/12085_2.png) [@yyy](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/yyy)\
**Post date:** [May 4, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/76 "2022-05-04T22:33:46Z")

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> [@Roe v. Wade overturned](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/roe-v-wade-to-be-overturned-opinion-draft-written/219406/164):
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> This should be Taiwan’s official slogan, really.

😄

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**Author:** ![GooseEgg](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/gooseegg/32/142672_2.png) [@GooseEgg](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/GooseEgg)\
**Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 5:40am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/77 "2022-05-05T05:40:31Z")

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> [@housecat](#):
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> A lot of these old links are dead and there are no new Classsic posts.

Slowly re-linking these again

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**Author:** ![Marco](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/marco/32/179744_2.png) [@Marco](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Marco)\
**Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/78 "2022-05-05T05:45:11Z")

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> [@GooseEgg](#):
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> > [@housecat](#):
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> > A lot of these old links are dead and there are no new Classsic posts.
> 
> Slowly re-linking these again

Fixed the quotes and a few links for you.

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**Author:** ![meishijia](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/meishijia/32/178949_2.png) [@meishijia](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/meishijia)\
**Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:13pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/79 "2022-05-06T13:13:55Z")

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Just spotted this gem:

> [@Is it legal to voice record a meeting without consent?](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/is-it-legal-to-voice-record-a-meeting-without-consent/54430/10):
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> Perhaps something is missing in this discussion.
> 
> The question is: "What do you plan to do with the record of that conversation after you have recorded it?? "
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> Is the intent to get it transcribed, and certified as being an accurate transcription, to be used in some sort of legal action?? or in some negotiation concerning your “rights”???
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> In my experience in dealing with the administrative agencies and courts here, it is highly unusual for someone to present such “evidence” to make a point … or to “succeed” in accomplishing anything by presenting such a transcription …
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> In other words, the following might be a sample conversation with the Taiwan Immigration Authorities –
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> You: (holding up your transcription documents) … “Oh, here is proof that my boss lied to me about the legality of sending me to work in the kindergarten, and he also told me that he would be under-reporting my income, failing to take out proper withholding taxes, etc. and would not sign me up for national health insurance until eight months after I really began work. He also forged a new expiry date on my ARC.”
> 
> Immigration Official: These are serious violations of the law.
> 
> You: Right, you should certainly punish my employer.
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> Immigration Official: Well, the best course of action would be for us to deport you first and deal with him later. You have committed all of these crimes, and that is very serious.
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> You: But my employer is the one to blame.
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> Immigration Official: You will need to go to the Tax Office and pay the taxes and fines on your under-reported income.
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> You: Shouldn’t my employer pay those? Or at least help me fill out the paperwork?
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> Immigration Official: Well, you are the one who has failed to pay the proper taxes. … Also, we talked to your employer and he said that several days after you had that “discussion” (which you recorded and had transcribed) … he had another meeting with you and explained that what he told you previously was not 100% correct, but you insisted on going ahead with the “illegal arrangements” …
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> You: I don’t remember any such conversation.
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> Immigration Official: You have been working so many long hours that your memory has become blurred. Maybe we should escort you to the detention center until your memory clears up.
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> You: Are you charging me with some crimes? What are the charges against me?
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> Immigration Official: Your employer also told us that you touched the breasts of several female employees in the office, and he was going to fire you outright, but then you came up with all of these other allegations, and tried to put the blame on him.
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> You: That is ridiculous. I never did such things.
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> Immigration Official: They employer’s wife is willing to testify that you tried to take advantage of her one evening when the two of you were eating dinner boxes in the office all alone. So … all in all … It might be in your best interests to settle all of these matters as quickly as possible, otherwise she may report you to several of the local women’s foundations. They might make a big scandal.
> 
> You: I never had dinner with the employer’s wife.
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> Immigration Official: She said you tried to push her into the bathroom and take off her dress. Then you forced her hand down your pants.
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> You: Does the employer have any proof of these allegations?
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> Immigration Official: We have no reason to doubt what he and his wife say. After all it is commonly known that foreign males are very “active” … sexually, … so such allegations are hardly surprising.
> 
> You: !? !G @ %!)j& !f!! m! -]y0 mjk~= [\<r @!a %$ a !!

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**Post date:** [May 6, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/this-is-a-classic-post/5883/80 "2022-05-06T13:15:32Z")

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I’ll have to disagree with you on that one.

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