🌏 💵 Tourism Promotion | NT$5000 for visitors to Taiwan

[The_Ghost]

@LondonSpice

More festivals and non Asian big name music acts.
Why do the western big name bands avoid Taiwan? Must be a good reason? Taiwanese people don’t want them? I don’t feel is the case, though I’m sure I will be corrected on this.

It is a shame, live music is something I miss from England. I could always find a band that I knew on. Here, I think the last band who I knew came earlier this year–Nightwise, but I was in England.

I think before that, we’re looking at the time Slipknot appeared maybe. Or Rob Zombie–whichever came first.

[TT]

@Andrew

Those two numbers are eerily similar. It wouldn’t surprise me if the government logic was along the lines of “what’s the point in giving money to foreigners who already live here, when we could pay some other foreigners to come here, spend additional money, and then bugger off?”

If the goal is to discourage long term, expats, this is a brilliant move. There is money for passport holding citizens, and there is money for foreigners who don’t live here. But foreigners who live here? Fuck those guys.

[TT]

@Marco

@nz

NT$30,000/household. US$1,000 when nothing livable in the north costs less than US$300,000 sure does make a dent!

I bought my house for $200000 US.

It’s actually quite easy to find quite liveable homes for less than $300000 US

She did say liveable. You living there yet?

[Marco]

It’s liveable. But right now I’m in a legal fight with the agents about their subletting.

[volv1992]

@LondonSpice

Loads of stuff needs to be done.

It needs to work on its search engine optimisation and marketing. Search for Taiwan, you generally get pictures of Taipei 101 and some articles about China invading with pictures of fighter jets.

[OrangeOrganics]

Tourist arrivals since 2002.

If you can see, from 2010 to 2019, tourist arrivals more than doubled

[jimipresley]

@PeiHua-Connie

your friends in Taiwan

You’re joking, right?

[afterspivak]

@Brianjones

I ha[v]e been here long enough to the see the north coast massively improve on what is was.

Not just the North Coast. Huge numbers of places, ranging from Tainan to Taitung, have really improved compared to 20 years ago. I don’t think newbies here fully understand how bad things were back in the day . . .

Guy

[Explant]

@nz

i love the pitifully small amounts of money the Taiwanese government keeps offering as “incentives”.

USD$165. I can spend two nights in a not bad hotel or two weeks on a crappy hostel. Food, transportation, tickets to anything?? Not to mention the flight over is close to or possibly over US$1000. And then you still need to get home.

It’s like how the government is apparently offering “mortgage assistance”. NT$30,000/household. US$1,000 when nothing livable in the north costs less than US$300,000 sure does make a dent! Thanks for all your help, TW government!

Although I dont disagree, it is a waste of money. But these sentiments are the literal definition of entitled. I, for one, would be grateful for 100nt if it’s a gift. god damn. I have yet to see any money in my hands from all of the MANY taiwanese welfare projects going to truly well off people. 30k, fuck yes. please. I constantly watch countless restaraunts, farmers, manufacturers and so on getting money all the time here. it is honestly quite absurd how much th gov hands out to greedy people. I say cut them off and let them actually earn a wage. then stimulate actual innovation and expansion. rather than give rich people.new toy money. It is gross how much this happens here. and we still only have decent pensions and doctors for government workers and the rich.

[afterspivak]

@Brianjones

Peoples habits are changing.

You’re just as likely to see the kids nowadays at Louisa Coffee as opposed to hanging out at the night market. Things are changing for sure.

Guy

[amitkattal]

I hate those kids taking all the space in Louisa cafe with their books pretending to study but using phone all the time.
Like three stories all filled with kids and teens.

[afterspivak]

@volv1992

Search for Taiwan, you generally get pictures of Taipei 101 and some articles about China invading with pictures of fighter jets.

I could see how this might dampen the numbers of arrivals.

Guy

[Explant]

@afterspivak

@volv1992

Search for Taiwan, you generally get pictures of Taipei 101 and some articles about China invading with pictures of fighter jets.

I could see how this might dampen the numbers of arrivals.

Guy

is the type of tourist Taiwan wants the type that only does single word google searches and comes with on such empty minded intentions? One might hope not. but given the overpriced shopping tourism here, that might actually be the target. idiots with some money.

otherwise, Google has great results for Taiwan for anyone that can spell

Examples of pretty simple google for various different interests

Anyone that isnt willing to spend the 30 seconds it took me to google the above in Taiwan doesnt deserve to see our treasures.

[OrangeOrganics]

Destination branding doesn’t usually start with a Google search

[nz]

@Explant

But these sentiments are the literal definition of entitled.

Given the magnitudes more money that the largest corporations and their cronies in the government get in handouts, I don’t think of my complaints as entitled. I can name quite a few projects where billions of USD worth of TW government money was squandered in projects that completely fell apart or weren’t even finished and are sitting around falling into disrepair and becoming massive safety risks due to the vast majority of the money that had been allocated going straight into the pockets of the people at the top. Those people got the money from the government having made up totally fake reasons why they needed it, knowing full well they would face zero consequences when the project they planned on having fail failed. But I should be grateful there’s a fraction of what I make in a month available as “mortgage assistance”, because I sound entitled? (Jk, theres no way any big nose would be getting that money any way). It would be one thing if government money was used to build useful things and support the creation of real, sustainable, life-supporting jobs and only the poor, old, and disabled got “entitlements”, but that’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening here is excellent welfare benefits for the tippy tippy top and “you should be grateful you get anything, you miserable serf” for everyone else.

[crusher]

@Brianjones

Quite a number of young middle class visitors from Thailand as well, they tend to look like Koreans which is funny to me.
Unfortunately some of the night markets aren’t what they were and probably Taiwan should switch things up a bit in the tourism stakes. Night markets need a major rethink (or maybe not…who am I to say).
Hiking , trail running, biking, surfing and aboriginal cultural, tea and coffee stuff…huge potential, but I don’t really want it to get too popular and well known outside Taiwan. There’s a balance there.
I think I could do a great 5 day trip across the spine of Taiwan. So much to see and do and incredible scenery that many foreign visitors in Taiwan even have not really experienced. You start off in Jiufen or Taipingshan, onto to Lalashan, up the lanyang valley into the central mountains, hitting some of the farms , few hikes, visit tea farms, aboriginal villages, qingjing nongchang, head across to Taroko or continue down to Yushan and the South. One of the challenges in accommodation in these places as they book out solid in the farmsteads at certain times of year. During my guided trip you will see flying squirrels , deer and macaques , Taiwan blue magpies and eagles and potentially other animals such as pangolins and rare rescued Taiwan black bears, fog bound tea farms, alpine views and sheep farms, ancient forests with 5000 year old redwoods, waterfalls, unique pacific aboriginal tribes. You will hike and experience the mountain railways and see the marble gorges and soak in the outdoor hotsprings. You will see it all and you will never forget your experiences but you need to pay for it you tight ass tourists. 5,000 NTD may get you a day at most.

I don’t want them here anyway, there is enough money in Taiwan’s technology sector. Let’s just make the place nicer for people that live here not some western backpackers.
Let’s get the bloody side walks sorted for ourselves

[Explant]

@nz

@Explant

But these sentiments are the literal definition of entitled.

Given the magnitudes more money that the largest corporations and their cronies in the government get in handouts, I don’t think of my complaints as entitled. I can name quite a few projects where billions of USD worth of TW government money was squandered in projects that completely fell apart or weren’t even finished and are sitting around falling into disrepair and becoming massive safety risks due to the vast majority of the money that had been allocated going straight into the pockets of the people at the top. Those people got the money from the government having made up totally fake reasons why they needed it, knowing full well they would face zero consequences when the project they planned on having fail failed. But I should be grateful there’s a fraction of what I make in a month available as “mortgage assistance”, because I sound entitled? (Jk, theres no way any big nose would be getting that money any way). It would be one thing if government money was used to build useful things and support the creation of real, sustainable, life-supporting jobs and only the poor, old, and disabled got “entitlements”, but that’s not what’s happening here. What’s happening here is excellent welfare benefits for the tippy tippy top and “you should be grateful you get anything, you miserable serf” for everyone else.

I agree with you on the waste of government money. absolutely. Also note I am saying you, as in NZ the person. Just all of us as society in general. I think it is objectively true that society here is overall quite entitled. and the massive quantity of welfare projects in Taiwan only promotes further entitlement. I have big.issue with this because not only are people.sucking the teet, but the tert is so far away from anything efficient and oriented it is absurd to the point of just admitting it is vote buying. retarded to put it mildly and politely.

But I am also absolutely saying anyone that receives 30k free money and complains after is entitled. There may be a few exceptions, I am sure there are. But the argument that someone else got more so poor me is essentially the definition of entitled. For me, I assume I need to make my own way. not because I am an immigrant, I lived the same way in my country of birth. I feel we should all think this way as a matter of course. I am grateful for any help I get. usually in the form of health care and roadways, but I pay for that as well. I come.from canada, where we have poor health care and roadways in.the province I come from (compared to taiwan) and we pay much higher taxes. so I am entitled to push for better service, but if I feel the need to complain about a hand out on ethical grounds I feel I should first not accept it, also based on ethical grounds. Perhaps the only thing worse than entitlement would be hypocrisy.

But essentially, my point is anyone saying free 30k isnt enough is absolutely entitled if it is free money it is 30k more than 0. Say thanks.

[nz]

@Explant

it is absurd to the point of just admitting it is vote buying.

It is vote buying.

But I will disagree with you about being grateful for the handouts that are available for the common person. While some people believe that “corporations are people too” (name that quote!), when the corporations and corrupt government officials are getting 99% of the handouts to squander and the remaining 1% is going into vote buying in form of relatively worthless handouts, there is no reason to say “thank you”. It’s not “someone else has more and I want more too”. It’s “a few people ran off with the entire pie and told us to bow down and say thank you for the crumbs”. Your (and my and everyone else’s) own hard work will never, ever, ever, ever gain the wealth the people at the top have due to their ability to stick their hands out and freely reach into the bank of the government whenever they want it. The average person cannot, no matter how hard they try, no matter how motivated they are, get ahead of corporations that get money from the government. It is not possible because that is literally how the game is set up.

[MalcolmReynolds]

So, it made the CNN News, but the title of the article seems waaaaaaay offfff. Or they are just making it click bait by not mentioning the destination until after you have clicked it.

I mean, WTF? Is Taiwan a popular destination? I vote absolutely fucking not. It’s so not a popular destination for many reasons.

I have never, ever met anyone who said anything like, “Wow! Taiwan…awesome food, awesome beaches, awesome friendly people. Yep, Taiwan is definitely on my bucket list of must see places before I die.”

Perhaps this is just a mix up and the author of the article thought that they were writing about Thailand?

This popular destination will pay tourists to visit

This popular destination will pay tourists to visit | CNN

[OrangeOrganics]

@MalcolmReynolds

I have never, ever met anyone who said anything like, “Wow! Taiwan…awesome food, awesome beaches, awesome friendly people. Yep, Taiwan is definitely on my bucket list of must see places before I die.”

I have met many, but they are Asian