TRA to make "girl only" car

Well said. Half my problems at work are caused by engineers with stupidities like “I know shortcut” or “Your way too much trouble”, or “Your way so inconvenient”, or “Ai yoo, foreigner always ask why”, or “Safety? You thinking too much”, etc.

Separate carriages? “So inconvenient!”

Not all women want to draw this kind of attention to themselves, especially in a society where “face” means so much. And I suppose this is partly what these perves on trains take advantage of. Many women would prefer to take preventive measures before this occurs.

I see nothing wrong with having a seperate car for women. If they feel more secure using it, then go for it. I have only been on the trains in Taipei a couple of times but seem to remember there being some special areas for females to board the train. Is designating a seperate car any different really?

I think they should have special cars for men who don’t want to be molested by gay ticket inspectors.
Like this one :laughing:

This brings to mind the female cleaning personnel they have in the men’s toilets here. You can bet there are no male attendants in the women’s toilets.

I don’t think this would work, not here. Firstly they would probably not dare to speak out and nobody would give a damn anyhow, so it would just become an embarassement and attract “what’s wrong with her?” stares.

and if the line-up didn’t go 20 feet down the street … i see the opposite more often (though not here, other than the cleaning lady).

It would be something to see a foriegner-only car. We could all sit or stand around, frowning and avoiding eye contact. If we did make eye contact, we could give each other wry half smiles or curt nods and quickly look away.

Well, I think it’s funny, anyway.

How about having a train car reserved for menstruating women? :wink:

And just what makes you think menstruating women would agree to using such a car?

I’d like to see a separate car for women of an indeterminate age with no social skills whatsoever and that rancid old-lady smell. The MRT would be a far nicer place.

I don’t think this would work, not here. Firstly they would probably not dare to speak out and nobody would give a damn anyhow, so it would just become an embarassement and attract “what’s wrong with her?” stares.[/quote]
I agree that it might not work, especially right away. Nothing new works well in current culture until the culture changes to accept and even expect the new behavior. And that’s what we’re really talking about here is a need for cultural change. And that change is not only needed on the part of the abusive men. The women need to stop being easy, passive targets. (And before anyone asks, no, I don’t think they are “asking for it”).

“And another thing”… what’s wrong with the other non-participating men around here? Why are they not stepping up to intervene on behalf of the harrassed women? If not out of chivalry (maybe a non-existant concept here), then out of a sense of social responsibility.

Just another example of how the blokes make it unnecessary for us women to post when issues like this come up, since they have already amply demonstrated the sort of thought patterns that make some of us feel that initiatives like this one, while not necessarily desirable, might just be necessary for some.

What are you referring to?

What the hell are you on about? Ironaldy, at least back up your statement.

You really think this seperate carriage thing is really going to make things safer for women?
The Taipei TRA system is one of the safest places in Taiwan for anybody, including women.
They have cameras, other people AND a police presence at every station. The amount of perverts who can get away with anything at an MRT station is minimal.

As I said earlier, a little discussed consequence of this will be the fact that any perverts currently on the MRT will move and locate themselves in other places which lack the security and safety of the MRT system. They will target women outside where the chances of them doing something more harmful will be more likely.

You will never stop perverts, child molesters rapists and murderers, but I think it is better to have the very few that there are contained in an environment such as the MRT where they can be seen and caught, rather than push them out of such a system and have more of them roaming the around where they can get up to extra mischief.

Perhaps it would be sensible to have a women only carriage in the late hours or even better, employ security on the MRT to patrol the train.
If they want to bring this rule into effect they should get their priorities right first - if I use the MRT at 11 o’clock at night I often don’t see any security on the platform.

Aiyou! Tai duo mafan! Hau gwei la!

[quote=“ironlady”]Just another example of how the blokes make it unnecessary for us women to post when issues like this come up, since they have already amply demonstrated the sort of thought patterns that make some of us feel that initiatives like this one, while not necessarily desirable, might just be necessary for some.[/quote]I was suggesting that perverts get arrested and punished, instead of setting up some sexist and discriminatory law. Why do you prefer the latter ? What is wrong with the former ?
If you punish a pervert instead of just moving them on, surely they would be less likely to do it again ?

As for you not wanting to post here, we are better off without sexists who think all men are rapists. Posts like that are unnecessary.

while we’re at it lets segregate sides of the street, you know how crowded they get, and relegate men to the back of the bus. those would help much more than segregating taipei’s airy open subway cars–hardly a perverts’ paradise!–where a staggeringly insignificant amount of random male/female contact takes place. someone’s been watching too much japanese porn or something.

[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“ironlady”]Just another example of how the blokes make it unnecessary for us women to post when issues like this come up, since they have already amply demonstrated the sort of thought patterns that make some of us feel that initiatives like this one, while not necessarily desirable, might just be necessary for some.[/quote]I was suggesting that perverts get arrested and punished, instead of setting up some sexist and discriminatory law. Why do you prefer the latter ? What is wrong with the former ?
If you punish a pervert instead of just moving them on, surely they would be less likely to do it again ?

As for you not wanting to post here, we are better off without sexists who think all men are rapists. Posts like that are unnecessary.[/quote]

Fluffy,
I’m not talking about your posts, but think about it…someone posts about an initiative (in theory, at least) to improve women’s safety. Within one page of posts, it comes around to “those menstruating women” and “age-indeterminate women” and so on. Real useful. Really makes one feel as though youse guys (the majority) are reeeeeeal concerned. As has been said before, wait until it’s your sister/SO/wife/mother and see what you think. I’m not necessarily saying that segregated MRT cars are the way to go, but if the mere mention of this kind of topic draws the sort of garbage that has been posted earlier on this thread, can you wonder that we might think maybe it would be better to segregate ourselves? If you’re posting it here, I can only assume you’re operating on the same kind of thought processes when you’re out and about…including while you’re on the MRT.

No one has problems with perverts getting arrested, etc. etc. But let’s not get our tighty whities in a knot about how a measure like this would be “sexist” and “discriminatory”. This topic has been discussed to death already in more general terms, and it comes home to roost every time some guy gets upset that there’s a Women’s Forum on F.com. It’s because there is a need, folks. Until there is an efficient policing (either cops catching perverts or posters controlling themselves) women will probably continue to feel that segregation is preferable to bothering to play with the guys when it comes to women’s issues.

Now go ahead and flame me to death, you’ve got like a 99% majority on here anyway. Personally I was raised in the States and I’m fairly assertive, so riding the MRT has never bothered me. But I can definitely see where this might be an attractive option to some.

[quote=“ironlady”]It’s because there is a need, folks. Until there is an efficient policing (either cops catching perverts or posters controlling themselves) women will probably continue to feel that segregation is preferable to bothering to play with the guys when it comes to women’s issues.[/quote]I didn’t want to bring up the women’s forum, but looking at how some posters are unable to control themselves, I can see your point, sadly.

I’ve never heard of anyone getting molested on the MRT (please correct me if I’m wrong), But if it is a problem I would prefer policing/enforcement/punishment is stepped up before segregation (cue mention of Rosa Parks, slippery slope etc…). On the other hand this is Taiwan, would they choose stereotyping or enforcement ? :ponder:

[quote=“Big Fluffy Matthew”][quote=“ironlady”]It’s because there is a need, folks. Until there is an efficient policing (either cops catching perverts or posters controlling themselves) women will probably continue to feel that segregation is preferable to bothering to play with the guys when it comes to women’s issues.[/quote]I didn’t want to bring up the women’s forum, but looking at how some posters are unable to control themselves, I can see your point, sadly.

I’ve never heard of anyone getting molested on the MRT (please correct me if I’m wrong), But if it is a problem I would prefer policing/enforcement/punishment is stepped up before segregation (cue mention of Rosa Parks, slippery slope etc…). On the other hand this is Taiwan, would they choose stereotyping or enforcement ? :ponder:[/quote]

BFM, I think you summed it up pretty nice there.