Hah! Let’s see how many of our loony left are busy protesting the millions of suffering oppressed people here? Anyone? Peace protest? March to get something done? blah blah blah give me a break.
In Sudan, Militiamen on Horses Uproot a Million
OH come on people. Surely 1 million is a lot more important since “EVERY CIVILIAN DEATH MATTERS” said with squeals of outrage but here we have literally 1,000 times more than in Iraq and silence. Nothing. Disinterest.
it’s hard to know what you’re talking about when the link requires a registration.
if you’re talking about the northern arabs oppressing the southern africans in sudan, then this really is about oil and foreign energy companies supporting a government that hires gangs to burn out and kill the southerners.
It’s called “shifting the focus”. These civilian deaths are alright, just look over there. It’s much worse over there. Why complain about over here. Look over there.
Richard:
I am not the one that claimed to be so concerned about civilian deaths. I am concerned about strategic interests. So for those that claim they are so concerned about civilian deaths because each and every one matters, where is the outrage.
JB: Quite easy, it’s the new york times. You just follow the little instructions and register. It doesn’t cost anything. Finally, always the conspiracies. So which oil companies are involved here? US? You will have to prove that. My money would be on the French.
I’d go after Mr. French. Shifty eyes. Small hands.
But seriously what about the suffering inSudan? I think that we should organize a peace protest how about this week and we can march on AIT to demand that the government (US and Taiwan) do something. But we should be careful lest the Taiwan government monitor those of us who are foreigners and then not renew our visas to teach English or work in bars. Oh dear!
[quote=“fred smith”]Richard:
I am not the one that claimed to be so concerned about civilian deaths. I am concerned about strategic interests. So for those that claim they are so concerned about civilian deaths because each and every one matters, where is the outrage.
JB: Quite easy, it’s the new york times. You just follow the little instructions and register. It doesn’t cost anything. Finally, always the conspiracies. So which oil companies are involved here? US? You will have to prove that. My money would be on the French.[/quote]
here’s the link to the national geographic article about Sudan. It’s prob the usual suspects Exxon, BP, Shell Amoco.
Where’s the link and why do you say probably? Didn’t you even read the article yourself JB?
Come come now lay off the valium. Too much and you get soft in the head.
Love fred
[quote=“fred smith”]Hah! Let’s see how many of our loony left are busy protesting the millions of suffering oppressed people here? Anyone? Peace protest? March to get something done? blah blah blah give me a break.
In Sudan, Militiamen on Horses Uproot a Million
nytimes.com/2004/05/04/inter … RF.html?hp[/quote]
Fred: Love to answer this Freddie San but I am too busy protesting the millions of people suffering.
March to get something done? Bit tight. How about next May? Give the left a year.
Nice of you to acknowledge the equestrian skills of the noble Sudanese. No siimilarity with the drive west in The US in the 19th Century then? No one uprooted there was there?
Oh No.
Pure as white you lot. 
Broon
Fred, Human Rights Watch has an extensive report on the involvement of oil interests in fueling the Sudan problems.
hrw.org/reports/2003/sudan1103/
Human Rights Watch is one among several liberal organizations that watch and report on events in Sudan.
Vorkosigan
But V:
What are little lefties such as yourself DOING about it? I don’t hear any shrill protests and there MAY even be oil involved? What about the it’s all about oil stuff. Could be here too? Protest away little lefties. So enjoyable to watch. So enjoyable to caricature. I think my next party will be a peace protest at the Ritz. Tye die and sandals? Anyone up for it? I promise however that the menu will not reflect such plebian endeavors. Only the best. Republicans after all are people of substance (as anyone who has seen my waist can testify) and therefore we will do what we say and stick to our principles. Grrr Grrr Grrr. Grrr Grrr Grrr.
Fred,
Forgot to pack your medication, didn’t you? I heard about your Russia gambit through the ‘grapevine.’ You were going to try to sneak into Iraq on horseback through the Russky backdoor and volunteer for combat chaplain duty before they could disqualify you for not actually having a bona fide Doctor of Divinity degree.
Moscow turned out to be a little bit further from Baghdad than you planned on though, didn’t it? I heard you got about a hundred klicks from Moscow on horseback before you got so drunk on vodka toasting the Czar that you fell off your horse and didn’t come to until you woke up back in your suite in the Astoria the next day.
Oh, well, jolly good show anyway. It’s like the Iraqis say about the current neocarnivorous occupation and incarceration: “It’s the thought that counts.”
Now what’s all this ranting about how we owe you a mea culpa over the genocide in the Sudan? I think you’ve got things turned around. We’re not the one’s selectively going around the world invading and deposing while invoking the name of liberation and human rights. You are.
And furthermore, I don’t understand why a million dead innocents doesn’t even seem to take that smile off your face when every other word from you seems to be ‘liberate’ Syria, ‘liberate’ Iran. 'Somebody stop me cuz I’m going in right now if they don’t . . . !
Fred, you’re truly a man of mystery.
Oh, well, hope the caviar drought there comes to a happy end soon. Sleep well, my friend, and travel safely.
Spook:
Clearly you are confused. I never said that the FOREMOST reason for invading Iraq was humanitarian. It was always strategic for me and that does not mean oil. BUT we heard wailing and yes gnashing of teeth regarding wailing women and shrieking children from so many on this forum for whom ONE CIVILIAN DEATH would be TOO MANY. Yawn. Now, we are ready to do what needs taking care of where there is a chance. I personally don’t see that we can do anything with the God forsaken Sudan but hey you little liberal types are always bleating about humanity so there it is go and do something about it and leave off bitching about Iraq until we have taken over the country’s assets, er that is restored democracy, no built democracy in the Middle East.
Third, try to hang onto that grapevine more tightly while I hold onto the grapes. Fair exchange.
Riding (and I am a very good horseman you know. Very very good despite my expanded girth. Something about learning to ride a bicycle or something like that. Pondering what would have once all been mine, mine, mine but now belongs to some slavs. haha and no it is not the thought that counts but in this case perhaps the count who thought?) was in Der Heimat: Kaliningrad or East Prussia as we Germans used to call it. Thousands of miles from Moscow as is the Astoria Hotel which is in St. Petersburg one of the most marvelously civilized of the world’s many lovely cities that makes London and Paris and nay even Berlin and Vienna look like dorfs. Square mile after square mile of massive palatial architecture. Magnificent weather. Fashionably dressed very attractive natives and wonderful cuisine. The weather is hot say 33 degrees magnificent and all this is possible because the US stood communism down and now Russia has entered the world of civilized nations. It took 60 years but we did it. Let’s see what we can do with Iraq. Be of good cheer and do not underestimate our resolve and determination to see this through and please realize that it will be good for everyone if you could just shake your paranoid cynical skepticism and believe in something once in a while.
Finally, yes the caviar shortage is serious and severe. Why don’t you tie dye shits do something about the sturgeon. I mean who eats spotted owl eggs. As to Broon Ale and his pestilential penguins. I must might start eating penguin eggs.
Love Fred
- Why blame others for not doing anything about it? What on earth can we do about it? A peace march isn’t going to help anyone.
- Yes, I’ve heard about the genocide in the Sudan, and it upsets me, but again, a peace march isn’t going to help.
- Of course oil is involved. However, it is hardly the only cause of the problems in the region.
- Driving a people out of their land is wrong. The fact that America did it in the 19th century when they settled the West does not mean that any other country from now on can feel free to do the same. It was wrong then; it’s still wrong now. The difference is that we can perhaps prevent or stop this kind of injustice now, whereas we can’t change the past.
- Unfortunately, I’m back where I started. What are we supposed to do about it?
Outrage over Sudan’s human rights role at UN
By Mark Turner at the United Nations
Published: May 5 2004 5:00 | Last Updated: May 5 2004 5:00
Sudan yesterday won a seat on the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, outraging human rights groups, exasperating UN officials and prompting the US to walk out in protest.
Sichan Siv, the US ambassador to the economic and social council, was “perplexed and dismayed” by the decision to put forward “a country that massacres its own African citizens”, and said: “The US will not participate in this absurdity.”
The annual spectacle of the world’s worst human rights offenders being elected to the commission has become a source of deep embarrassment for the UN and a rallying cry for its critics. The membership of Zimbabwe and Cuba this year caused similar outrage, while Libya’s chairmanship of the commission last year became a must-mention in any anti-UN tirade.
Sudan’s uncontested election, backed by the African regional group, comes as UN officials say a catastrophe is unfolding in its Darfur region.
[quote=“fred smith”]But V:
What are little lefties such as yourself DOING about it? [/quote]
All sorts of things. I notice you had no intelligent comments about the extensive documentation provided.
Dear Little Leftie: er that is V:
Anyway, I went through your little site and noticed that US companies have not been involved since Chevron packed up and left in 1984. That would er be 20 years ahem without using a calculator to calculate it. Who’s left most prominently: The Canadians and Chinese. Where are the protests against Canada and China? Where oh where oh where are the Canadian citizens unified and chanting and exchanging tie dye patterns both in and out of the sack or sandals about “It’s all about oil! No blood for oil!” But most Canadians are probably ignorant of their role in Sudan and complicity in Sudanese deaths in the millions! But goodness, how many are shocked and outraged over 14 Iraqi prisoners being abused? Goodness gracious me.
But yes nice references what are little lefties like YOU doing about it? Did you start a thread here to show your concern? No? Why not? America not involved? Think of it, these bad Canadians funding the raping, pillaging and enslaving as well as forced starvation and murder on a scale not seen since Stalin and nothing from our Canadian friends about their complicity in all of this murder and mayhem. Gosh. How can Canada be so EVIL? Where is their morality? concern? weeping? gnashing of teeth? protest?
And why not a peace protest? If one can be done to stop evil America from invading poor helpless Iraq, why not another to raise concern and to focus attention on the problem? Huh? Why not? Hahahahah Yet, another example of leftie mindless, lockstep protest er or lack of protest. This really is so pathetic that it makes me want to pull what hair out I have left. Sick Canadians. Sick lefties. Oh dear.
No, Freddie, I went to Africa and worked there to show my concern.
Vorkosigan
RPCV Kenya, 1986-89
V:
Where did you go? what did you do? How long were you there? What was the net positive contribution of your effort? When did you go? What have you done since then? Why aren’t you raising concerns for more serious matters such as one million plus in Sudan but are griping over 11,000 ??? total Iraqi casualties to date? Could be as low as 5,000 maybe 7,000 to 9,000? Why?