Trump’s Big Beautiful LAW Thread

Simple, you are agreeing with me :smiling_face_with_tear: We just word it different.

The only thing we might disagree on it seems is I think this is not acceptable and is incredibly embarrassing. Or maybe we agree on that too. Despite whatever maturity level of a country and its age, the leader of this one is anything but mature. And that simply isn’t, nor should it be considered to be, mature.

The worry is it becomes destabilizing. We don’t need more crazies like North Korean leadership, we need more centrists and people with level heads and basic literacy and respect towards others.

Idk if I am. I’m saying we get what we deserve. You’re saying we deserve better.

They come after the war. Ike, for example. Maybe.

Dalio suggests we all read or reread Plato’s thoughts on why democracies fail.

What makes him worth listening to? That he is rich and has a large (but declining and underperforming) hedge fund?

You don’t have to listen to him. You don’t offer up anyone better, but I suppose that’s ok.

What do you think makes him worth listening to, since you are sharing his ideas?

He sees things in the big picture, doesn’t focus on populist minutiae, and is a student of history. When he’s wrong he stands by his approach and doesn’t make excuses.

He also doesn’t much have an opinion as to what politicians should do or have done “wrong,” he goes with what he believes will or should work to solve an issue at hand. He responds to the data not the wishful thinking of the masses.

Do you think he is wrong in saying to ameliorate the current debt woes the US is having spending should be reeled in, taxes should be raised and the Fed should lower rates?

Did you read the article? That’s what he claims, maybe not so much what he actually does. And his record is maybe 50/50, so his responses might be pretty much a coin flip.

I think spending should be reeled in, taxes should be raised (not exactly controversial positions that take a lot of insight for reigning in debt - kind of by definition the 2 big levers you have). The rub (there’s always a rub) is the balance (don’t want to screw it up in austerity mode) or exactly how you do that - saying that generically isn’t an actual solution.

The fed should likely hold tight on rates for now to see what’s what with his the economy responds to tariffs (as they’re doing).

Nope.

I’m reading his book. You’re the guy sitting next to me on the bus telling me he’s full of shit. lol

Why? According to Dalio, the rates are what would have the greatest positive impact.

Do you disagree with that?

The only economic experts I listen to are ones who saw the 2008 crash coming:

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Because we don’t want to fuck shit up trying to fix shit when we’re looking for signs of which direction the economy is heading - first do no harm.

Why should we trust this guy in particular? :wink:

It would have a positive or negative impact depending on if you call an increase / decrease correctly.

It’s less impressive when you take it to account all the crashes he called that didn’t happen. :wink:

That seems to be a rather myopic approach a bit focused on right just now and not down the road, where RD is looking though.

Why should we trust you? RD is highly respected and has been for decades, despite what your single article suggests.

And what you were focused on as well. The poor folks won’t benefit with either really, if that is what you are focused on.

Regardless, I may put up RD’s YT videos later, just to give folks an opportunity to check him out. Me as well. I haven’t seen them in a while.

You shouldn’t - but I’m not making any predictions and no one here is saying “but poundsand says…” implying that I’m an authority of some sort. You’re doing that with Dalio - it doesn’t seem unreasonable to ask why do you trust this guy in particular / find his opinions worthy of repeating?

He is highly respected - as a hedge fund manager. Despite relatively not great returns.

I think I’ve covered that. It’s not as though I am discovering him. lol

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Ahh I see. I thought we were in agreement in this statement:
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Mature democracies tend to become politically polarized. When that happens there is no compromising and that leads to greater distrust and polarization."

This seems common. I guess we disagree on if that’s acceptable or not. I say not. Our species and societies should be way smarter than this. I agree with the reality but disagree with it being acceptable.

If that were true, we shouldn’t be going through it once again, right?

A man’s got to know his limitations.

I agree. We shouldn’t…

Trump doesn’t, he’s a problem. Thus, people need to push harder against such stupidity. As always, I personally think work bottom up. Start with educating kids better. Working top down has never worked. Trump won’t learn. Society being taught better thinking skills and literacy will almost certainly improve life long term.

Was FDR?

He seems to have learned an awful lot since 2016.

Sorry. What do you mean by FDR? The old dude a long time ago? As they like to say now a days: Who’s here in 2025? Literacy, respect, availability of data. He struggles with these points. This is his problem. Even if his intentions are legitimately ethical, whichbis a hard sell. But being agnostic, let’s just say he needs to learn proper discourse, and English.

As far as compairing since his first term, he is as rude as ever. I don’t disagree everyone should have freedom of speech and think sovereignty. He has a voice. Albiet a completely retarded one. But he certainly has not learned much in terms of respect and basic English skills. This is kind of the issue. The main issue I hope. If he is actually that fucked up, it’s a deeper issue, best case is he is like a 12 year old girl on TikTok in the USA craving attention and inches away from a panic attack when not acknowledged for how good they think they are in the mirror. That’s trumps image. Right or wrong, he spoke this script himself, can blame others for noticing.

I remember when Bush junior was considered the biggest moron in town, Trump makes bush sound like Brian Greene. If anyone was to even entertain what trumps plans are to be legitimate, he must learn not to completely shit on everyone and disrespect them for points totally unrelated. Uanmedia plants are a fun ine. How he totally disrespects foreign leaders in his office. And even when a guest. Its absurd. I wouldnt let my 1 year old be that detached frkm reality, never mknd a grown ass adult. Then, a president?

in this sense, he is fully retarded. Being the little king running the kingdom is bad. If he isn’t that, he needs to learn enough English to not be like exactly that. Otherwise it comes across like…well. exactly how people are calling it. If he isn’t a dictator style personality, he needs to man up and prove otherwise. Otherwise, fair game. This is his game…not anyone else’s. He is writing his own grave. Which is what scares people, this level of delusional and dissociation is alarming for a person leading any country. Nevermind a nuclear power.

It seems the relublicma party has a learn Ed a lot how to do things. Trump hasn’t. Frankly, Pence was way better than this clown show.

This sounds like more about you and not so much about Trump. Maybe posting online really is about talk therapy.