TSMC’s U.S. Engineers Are “Babies” Say Taiwanese

Your comment was in response to that news. I think I have provided enough data for showing that A) Europe is not necessarily that way behind as you said, and B) innovation is not necessarily related to the amount of worked hours. You can take a look at the data.

And yet all these fabless companies keep paying their architects and designers for nothing. Shmocks.

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Lower work hours wouldn’t affect GDP in a meaningful way and would in fact boost productivity in short to medium term. You would need to look at long term growth, which isn’t reliable either since a lot of other factors change as well.

Also I doubt it’s just because of working hours but it’s very obvious to anyone in a high tech industry that Europe has lost its tech edge.

Plenty of IP and sysyem software engineers in Europe, working in international firms, many European owned, and doing perfectly fine.

Many pioneers in deep learning came from Europe despite teaching in the US now. Turing Award winner, Yann LeCun for example, is as French as his name suggests.

1- Again I am speaking relatively. Relative to the past. Europe keeps becomings less relevant.

2- Thanks for the example that supports my opinion. He is now in the states. Benefitting that economy instead of France. Why because Europe sucks ass in tech.

3- Exceptions are irrelevant anyways. You only need to look at the economic trajectory of Europe. GDP as percent of world down almost year by year since WWII. Europe used to be THE place for tech and science now you need to resort to a dozen examples. ARM, Yann Lecun, ASML, etc.

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US is at will employment. They can fire anyone for any reason except for protected class of people (but they can still fire those people under “at will employment” because they can use any other reason except for race/gender/sexual orientation as a reason to fire). Big companies can basically fire 80% of their worker at will.

I believe in Taiwan big companies looking to do massive layoff must report to the government before they do this. No idea how it actually works.

Design is just component selection. Google is doing it with AI now, automating it away just like McDonalds.

Manufacturing is jamming more and more transistors onto a chip. It requires nanotechnology.

Chips.

2004 data c’mon.

In chip design layout matters, there is binary math that follows very specific rules of logic. Components need to be selected and laid out.

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Can’t find it normalised by population, but what I’ve found is pretty similar to what I posted. Bottom line is… the tone of your observation was out of place, and it was poorly articulated.

As we have seen there’s no direct, clear correlation between hours worked and productivity or innovation.

The reason why Asia is taking the lead is well, because they excel in this because they specialised in this because that’s where the first World outsourced their manufacturing, among other reasons. And yes, they also work hard stupid amounts of hours.

But again, as you can see, the countries that work the longest hour in Europe aren’t necessarily the most innovative or the ones with the higher GDP. Same with the rest of the World.

However, to me there should be goals much more important than having the highest GDP and keep innovating in super expensive short shelf life toys for hipsters, posers, and people with short dick. But of course those goals are difficult to attain and survive as a country without having everybody else in the same page.

Yeah, I hope it’s clear that’s pretty much my posture too.

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Large layoffs in the US require notice as well (warn act. although if you’re paying people greater than 60 days worth of pay, it’s somewhat moot).

All TSMC do is move transistors a little closer together every few years using simple lithography. They’re just a big OEM manufacturer.

Chip design is far more complex and difficult. It’s the reason computer performance has advanced so much while companies like TSMC can only offer small PPA improvements with every node.

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Hahaha. The level of argument in this thread is amazeballs.

Then how come a team of a few hundred can make world leading design but companies with tens of thousands employees and billions of investment can’t beat TSMC?

Y’all are living in 1990s. Back then design was hard and manufacturing was easy. Things have changed since then. Standardization and EDAs have made design trivial while fabs have become exponentially more complicated.

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Exceptions? His fellow Turing award winners Yoshua Bengio is also French, Geoffrey Hinton is British.

I’m not saying manufacturing is easy, just that complex circuit design is about more than simply selecting components. Do you disagree?

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I’m just trying match oysterpancakes clearly ridiculous simplification of the industry. If all designers do is simlpy pick components, then all fabs do is simply print what the designers tell them to. Both of these statements are quite clearly stupid, but that seems to be the level of discussion here.

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I don’t get your point as again he doesn’t live in France. We are not talking about individuals, nor are we talking about science. You’re argument is the same as saying India has no economic problem because so many tech CEOs in the states are Indian. What do those things have to do with each other?

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Oh sure no arguments there. You were both being ridiculous. I’ll concede that.

I would say today both manufacturing and design are very high added value but manufacturing has a higher barrier to entry.