Working 80hrs a week isn’t legal, it’s not reasonable to expect it, it doesn’t matter how much you twist reality.
- I have no idea what you’re even trying to claim I’m twisting
- what law do you know of in the US that even hints at an 80 hour week being illegal?
- they are working in Taiwan. I suspect you cannot send people to other countries ignoring the local legislation, just because in your country things are different. If that were the case, you could hire from shitty third world countries like Indonesia or USA and send them to branches in countries with proper regulations and bypass the local regulation.
EDIT: I don’t know anymore if we are talking about Twitter or TSMC
FYR it is not legal in Germany.
Making your workers, semi legally or not, work longer hours is akin to destroying environment for profit.
It is destroying peoples physical or mental health and country’s demographics.
You can do it for some time but effects will catch up to you.
Gloating about it is a sign of either naivety or hypocrisy/greed.
The maximum daily amount of working time must not exceed ten hours. However, the law stipulates that the working hours on business days (Monday until Saturday) must not exceed an average of eight working hours per day, ie 48 hours per week, over a period of six months or 24 weeks.
https://www.simmons-simmons.com/en/publications/ck0daernndrsq0b94fr99053d/04-working-time-in-germany
There’s no cap in USA. Still I suspect their contracts say something about the working hours.
Yes, US is closer to Asia in that for salaried, exempt employees.
The discussion re 80 hours was Twitter. So US.
regarding Twitter and hardcore hours, howamy people in Germany are we talking about? approximately 0?
and… we come full circle… probably close to 0 contracts amongst the normal salaried, non contractor staff. execs will likely be the only ones with contracts, and pretty sure those also wouldn’t specify max hours.
You can ask Intel how that’s going.
AMD’s Lisa Su said, being a good manufacturer and being a good design house are two different skill sets.
My post was more general vide some defense of 80h work week etc
regarding Twitter and hardcore hours, howamy people in Germany are we talking about? approximately 0?
There may be some:
there’s Twitter workers there. hardcore hours like Elon was talking about,.working long nights and weekends? I stand by approximately 0. 
Fair enough. However I would raise the following questions:
- Are you sure a company that big doesn’t specify in their contracts what the work conditions are, including work time?
- Can you jump from a certain set of work conditions including volume of work to another one just because the company has been purchased by an idiot? without any compensation?
- in the case of TSMC, just to link this discussion with the main topic, I don’t think you can just allocate work force in another country ignoring the local work law,
Well, I certainly hope that Twitter does follow German labor laws.
BTW exploiting workers could be seen as unfair competitive practice.
In November 2017, MEPs adopted tougher rules to fight unfairly cheap imports. Improvements include:
- The impact of social and environmental dumping will be taken into account when deciding on anti-dumping measures
pretty damn sure, as there probably aren’t contracts
for salaried employees, you can generally jump to different work conditions without a change of owner.
Intel chose the supposedly more advanced SAQP lithography technology, and that ended up with very unstable yield, while TSMC kept on perfecting the tried and true EUV technology. Every time physical limitations impose on continued scaling using the old technology presents an opportunity for the board to be shuffled. Intel was ahead all the way up to 14nm when they chose the wrong path to go forward. That doesn’t mean their original choice won’t be the right one down the road, or they won’t pick a better technology next time. It’s extremely costly to even pick one solution, it’s often all or nothing.
There’s a reason Europe is so far behind. No tech company in the Fortune 500 except SAP.
Because they tried to leave behind slavery?
They work only 25 hours a week.
EU member countries all have different regulations so they’re not one market.
Cradle-to-the-grave welfare state.
About 120 of global Fortune 500 companies are European, but yeah, cradle to grave welfare is the reason none are tech companies. 
AI is going to be in every step of fabrication now anyway. Semiconductor manufacturing will no longer be a labor intensive process with operators and engineers having to be onsite 24/7 probably with in a decade. Automated overhead cane and robots will move the wafers around, deep learning based inspection will examine every inch of every single chip for defects. Engineers will only Ned to be there when something goes wrong.
So I don’t see why Europe can’t rebuild their semiconductor industry, except for maybe environmental concerns.
Already everything is done by robots. But they need people to maintain, calibrate, customize, configure and optimize the equipment. TSMC people already get paid more than Europeans. Salaries are not the issue here.