UK Uni's losing £1.2bn in international fees, that lots of quid

That a lots of lost money, billion+. Its a business going down not only in Taiwan

I lot more cheaper good choices, nearby in EU.

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Jo Grady, general secretary of the University and College Union, said changes to the immigration system have contributed to falling international student numbers.

Not to worry. There are hundreds of doctors and engineers still arriving on small boats from France, and we don’t even have to send them to university. Hurrah!

“Changes to the immigration system” my arse. It’s because international students have caught onto the fact that British universities, like pretty much everything in the UK now, are just a ginormous scam, run by lazy, unserious people. They’re either staying at home to study at their (superior) universities, or going to (superior) universities elsewhere.

The universities can all just collapse into the sinkhole they’ve created for themselves, as far as I’m concerned. They bear a large part of the responsibility for the horrific state of the UK right now. Maybe forcing them to face up to reality, and putting them through a proper shakeout, will be good for academia.

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That’s quite an assumption to make.

Well, assuming those students still exist and still have money (not a given, I suppose) they must be going somewhere. They’re spending their (parents’) money elsewhere. They must be. Unless you’re arguing that there are simply fewer young people (and yes, I agree that’s one of the reasons, but it’s probably not in the top 5).

I was referring to the fact that they would automatically be studying at somewhere superior.

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Immigration crackdown? What exactly did they crackdown on?

Masters students cant bring their family.

What else?

I thought they were making harder for people to go to these fake language schools.

But they arent cracking down on international students.

The UK is too stabby. And too expensive.

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You’d have to put in some serious effort to be any worse than British universities right now. They’re just going through the motions and not even pretending anymore.

Looks around at some Taiwanese universities…no effort required.

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The decline of the education systems around the world is a complex issue, but largely driven by the points Finley made. The teachers, administrators and school staff, from elementary school to PhDs DONT FING CARE ANYMORE! Those who do better keep their mouths shut or they will be cancelled by those whose living depends on perpetuating these broken systems.

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Maybe so, but at least they don’t charge you an outrageous sum for the privilege. Yes, of course, if you want to go to a degree mill there are plenty of degree mills. Always have been. The point is that UK unis are charging for a premium product that they’re just not delivering; or, equivalently, they’re positioning themselves in a degree-mill space (where the price pressure is firmly downwards) while charging university prices.

In any case I think this is one instance where the market will sort things out. There’s a storm coming, and people who have been taking the piss in comfortable academic positions for the last 5-10 years are going to have a rude awakening.

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Burn it All.

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Not if they learn breakdancing !

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Plenty of shelfstacking jobs at Aldi. Well, at least until the government shuts all the farms down.

Those will go to the next gen of robots, managed by a “manager AI” per store, real-time inventory management, weather and traffic reports and automated logistics systems. LOTS of jobs gonna go down the :toilet:

For every job that is lost, we could create two.

Blue collar rates are going through the roof now. It will be a long, long time before they can build a robot to replace a plumber or spark. Even the gentle sweep of a cleaner’s hand on the underside of a teak table would be hard to replicate.

But the media, review sites and AI are destroying some of the less useful white collar jobs.

So which class is really worried?

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TBH I reckon shelf-stackers will be around for a while, for the simple reason that school-leavers willing to work for a pittance are going to be ten-a-penny until the schools finally implode and kids are just left to roam the streets stabbing each other. Or until their mental-health problems reach such a point that they can’t even contemplate a carton of baked-bean tins without collapsing in tears because the beans eyeballed them in a judgemental way.

Robots, in contrast, take a lot of buggering around to make them work properly. Get a line of code wrong and off they go making 300ft high towers of Del Monte fruit salad or rampaging through the carpark overturning all the blue Ford Fiestas.

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like how you think. Grim and sarcastic like I feel most days when dealing with humanity. BTW, r u a Larry Niven fan?

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I read The Mote in God’s Eye a long time ago. Not bad, but not great.

But yeah, humans, eh?

Ah, there is a character named Finley in his classic short story
"What can you say about chocolate-covered manhole covers. "

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‘Finley’ is a nickname from a long-ago ex-gf. The backstory wouldn’t make sense to anybody except me (and her), but I liked it (and her) enough to keep it as a screenname.

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