UK's last 1,000 soldiers rushed out to Balkans

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

Please, let’s not be so coy. We know what you are doing, and frankly, it’s boring. You do have a brain, why would you employ it thusly?

HG

[TheGingerMan]

Coy?
What is this?
The Village Green Preservation Society?

The nationalist history of an emblem such as that as Kosovo would really be something one would want to include, given the vast factional nationalism that has bred so extensively in Europe, most especially in the Balkans.
Politics in that venue oft degenerates into a zero-sum game. I’ve seen it first-hand, on two seperate NATO deployments. It’s not pretty, and as such, one should not have the historical record diluted or dismissed.
Past Is Prologue, right?

[Chewycorns]

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Please, let’s not be so coy. We know what you are doing, and frankly, it’s boring. You do have a brain, why would you employ it thusly?

HG[/quote]

Look, I’m Roman Catholic, and I am proud to call numerous Croats (Roman Catholic), Serbians (Eastern Orthodox), and other people from the Balkans my friends. However, I do think that the governments of Croatia and/or Kosovo have not fully come to terms with their past. Surely, when Tudjman was the leader of Croatia, there were lots of symbols still being used from that era. I’m glad that now, to enter the EU, Croatia, has, for the most part, turned its back on displaying these symbols in publicv. :bravo:

For Kosovo (which is 93 percent Muslim), all I am saying is that it would be better to use a symbol that is not so hurtful to so many minority groups. Why are they using that symbol on their new flag?

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

[quote=“TheGingerMan”]Coy?
What is this?
The Village Green Preservation Society?[/quote]

I’m trying to display my ability to wander off the cricket pitch and onto the village green.

Stop being such a cunt . … is that better?

HG

[TainanCowboy]

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]You know, and I know, that you’re being a grubby troll. The obvious next question is; why?
HG[/quote]HGC -
A shabby personal attack completely without foundation, relevance or topical reason. That insignia is being featured prominently currently. A background discussion of its origins and who wore this is completely relevant to what is happening today.
Were I to assign a troll badge, it might be directed your way. Of doing so would be in-appropriate, being as how to whine “troll” at another poster is considered ‘backseat modulating’ and against the forum rules…of course.

[Huang_Guang_Chen]

[quote=“TainanCowboy”][quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]You know, and I know, that you’re being a grubby troll. The obvious next question is; why?
HG[/quote]HGC -
A shabby personal attack completely without foundation, relevance or topical reason. That insignia is being featured prominently currently. A background discussion of its origins and who wore this is completely relevant to what is happening today.
Were I to assign a troll badge, it might be directed your way. Of doing so would be in-appropriate, being as how to whine “troll” at another poster is considered ‘backseat modulating’ and against the forum rules…of course.[/quote]

Say or apply whatever you like, dude, but our man here has used this as a pretext to attack Croatia, or should i say our sole Croatian, on several occasions.

Grubby. Yep, that’s what it is. Sweetly succinct i thought.

HG

[Screaming_Jesus]

The double-headed eagle symbol has been used by various Byzantine successor states as well as Russia and the Hapsburgs. The Orthodox monastic republic of Mt. Athos has this on their flag, as does one of the Greek football clubs.

Anyway, the flag you’re all talking about is the flag of Albania. The official Kosovo flag is blue, with six white stars along the top, and a yellow map of Kosovo below them.

Tash (a C.S. Lewis fan?) wrote:

Plus, Bosnia is a different case to Kosovo. Albanians are an ethnic minority. Bosnian Muslims, Croats and Serbs are constituent nationalities, not minorities.

“Nationality” is Soviet Marxist talk for “ethnic group.” “Constituent nationality” = titular nationality (e.g. Croats in Croatia, Serbs in Serbia, etc.). The fact is, Northern Bosnia is populated mainly by Serbs who would like their region to join with Serbia instead. And why not? Because the Muslims (sorry, we’re supposed to call them “Bosniacks” now) oppose it? The same could be said of Kosovars in Kosovo, although Kosovo was formally an autonomous zone within the republic of Serbia, while Albania was and is a separate country. I don’t see why Kosovo should be prevented from joining Albania, if that is what their people want.

Another aspect of the Kosovo case is that the Albanian numbers in Kosovo grew, more likely exploded, partly due to illegal activity. Would you allow illegal Albanians in Italy the same rights? Would illegal Mexicans in California and NM be allowed to secede (sp?) if they grew enough in numbers?

It is interesting that you compare the Kosovars with “illegal” Albanians in Italy. I see that you blame the Kosovars for expelling Serbs during WW2, but you could just as easily see this as a way to correct for the historical injustice that was the Battle(s) of Kosovo (which the Serbs have finally lost). Anyway, I would love to see some sort of international guidelines agreed to that would apply to all independence-seeking groups around the world. And I would like those guidelines to be liberal enough to permit the Mexicans to declare independence for California and NM, if they can muster the political support. (They go to all that trouble to sneak into the U.S., only to vote themselves out of it?) And defend themselves militarily against angry white guys…

[Jack_Burton]

1. I saw an interesting movie yesterday called “Hunting Party” that supposedly is based on a true story of journalists who went into Serbia to find war criminals that the various governments, and UN were ‘looking for’, but really avoiding. Stars Richard Gere and Terence Howard. Not bad. Naturally, not very positive take on Serbians.

2. I think that the US can support Muslim Albanians (as well as Muslim Iraqis) of their own state despite such controversy does speak to certain democratic elements within the US government (notwithstanding the possibility of ulterior motives).

[TheGingerMan]

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”][quote=“TheGingerMan”]Coy?
What is this?
The Village Green Preservation Society?[/quote]

I’m trying to display my ability to wander off the cricket pitch and onto the village green.

Stop being such a cunt . … is that better?

HG[/quote]
Almost, but you’ve got to finish it off properly, you degenerate colonial!
Don’t leaving one hanging, without the pivotal subjective twist of the diction!
“Stop being such a cunt, you…!”

1. Unintelligible Norte Americano wanker…!
2. Dull Canucklehead bahsterd…!
3. supercilious drunken maroon…!
   4…?!
   

[anon38216271]

[quote=“tash”]Thanks, TC.
But there’s really no concern for us here in Croatia in that sense. Especially here in Zagreb.
We will suffer economically, though, due to lost holiday bookings.

I’m curious, what are Forumosan’s opinions with regards to this? Should Kosovo be independent? And should NATO have been involved militarily, now and in the first place?
(if you’ve already discussed it somewhere, sorry. Can I please have the link? )[/quote]

People should have freedom no matter where they are. Yes, NATO should be there if it will quell any fighting. But the work should be done by the people who want the independence. My 2cts.

But glad you are safe!!!

[Chewycorns]

An interesting article about the protests in Belgrade and on Kosovan Independence:

@FrontPage Magazine

As Americans look quizzically at their TV sets while non-Muslim protestors in Europe torch a U.S. embassy, they should know that yesterday’s 200,000-person protest in Belgrade (whose members are separate from the fire starters) is the first time in two decades that Serbs are showing a glimmer of rational behavior–amid 20 years of the “free world” foisting terrorist neighbors upon them.

To put this in perspective, with advance apologies to any offended ethnic groups: How would Americans react if Latino gangs started ambushing police and killing government officials in California, and after a few years the U.S. sent in the troops because the gangs were outgunning the police force; following this, the gangsters started claiming atrocities—and so Russia and China bombed California and Washington in response to the “atrocities”; the foreign powers then occupied California for eight years while the gangs killed or expelled most of the non-Latinos in “revenge attacks,” then backed a declaration of independence for California as a Mexican-majority state that may just unify with Mexico?

The current state of affairs is a product of a concerted, single-minded, bipartisan American effort to turn Serbs into an enemy as the U.S. tries to make friends of its enemies in the region, always at Serbian expense. “Will Russia now become the leader of the Europeans who resist the Islamization of their continent?” Thomas Landen asks in the Brussels Journal. He notes that Moscow has called on the UN to annul independence, and a UN vote may be the only thing to save us from a new world war over this Balkan province, ignored by the media and public for eight years as insignificant, despite the Balkans’ history for setting off world wars.

“Indeed,” continues Landen, “what will Russia do if the 16,000 NATO ‘peacekeeping’ troops in Kosovo attack the Serbian army when it attempts to recover its breakaway province? If Russia intervenes, then 2008 might become the year that war broke out between Russia and NATO. America, the EU, Europe’s immigrant ‘youths,’ and Osama bin Laden would find themselves on one side, fighting Russia, China, and those Europeans who resist Islamization on the other."

Who could have envisioned such a sorry state of affairs on September 12, 2001? The answer is: anyone who noticed that our Balkan policies didn’t change following 9/11. We are now several years post-9/11, yet our government is creating Muslim states in Europe and is about to engage the United States military against European Orthodox Christians who don’t want to live under Muslim rule.

When did it become the free world’s business to spread Shari’a law, as is always the upshot of any Islamicizing region?

The remarks upon Kosovo’s independence by the U.S. and the Organization of the Islamic Conference might as well have come from a joint statement:

Secretary General of the OIC declares support to the Kosovo Independence:

…Secretary General of the Organization of the Islamic Conference Prof. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu made the following remark…“…a very important event took place yesterday. Kosovo has finally declared its independence after a long and determined struggle by its people. As we rejoice this happy result, we declare our solidarity with and support to our brothers and sisters there. The Islamic Umma wishes them success…There is no doubt that the independence of Kosovo will be an asset to the Muslim world and further enhance the joint Islamic action.”

U.S. welcomes “Muslim state” in Kosovo:

“We think it is a very positive step that this state – Muslim majority state – has been created today,’ [Undersecretary of State Nicholas] Burns said Monday… Creating a Muslim-majority state in a region that is the cradle of the Serbs’ Orthodox Christian religion never was the driving force of US policy on Kosovo, [Council on Foreign Relatoins analyst Charles] Kupchan said in a telephone interview. “But it’s a fringe benefit.”

Bosnia Grand Mufti: U.S. Policy In Region Serves Muslims’ Interests:

In an interview with Islamonline on the sidelines at the “U.S. and the Muslim World” conference in Qatar, Grand Mufti of Bosnia-Herzegovina Mustafa Ceric said that the U.S.'s policy in the Balkans serves the interests of the Muslims and of Islam.

This week merrymakers in Pristina waving Albanian and American flags shouted “KLA! KLA!” – the supposedly disbanded, heroin-financed “rebels” who trained in terrorist camps. “What is the point of fighting Islamism in Iraq,” asks the Brussels Journal’s Landen, “while at the same time one creates a free haven for Islamists on the European continent?” He adds, “The Jerusalem Post reported in 1998 that the [KLA] was ‘provided with financial and military support from Islamic countries,’ and had been ‘bolstered by hundreds of Iranian fighters or mujahedin [some of whom] were trained in Osama bin Laden’s terrorist camps in Afghanistan.’”

It is worth reminding the conservative blogosphere, which for nine years chose to ignore the region entirely or, alternately, bolster the jihadist pro-independence position, that they are helping implement a Clinton-era policy supported and co-financed by George Soros, which has been pursued from a pre-9/11 mindset. My fellow conservatives, you do not defend America or American policy when you support our pro-independence policy in Kosovo; you support Hillary and Bill Clinton, George Soros, and Osama bin Laden, who co-financed and co-trained the KLA troops that we and Germany co-financed and co-trained.

It is a rare thing to meet someone among the remaining 100,000 Christians of Kosovo who hasn’t had a close relative or friend slaughtered by the Albanian “non-Islamic” Muslims since our intervention, the selfsame Muslims to whom we’re granting Serbian territory. While Serbia and Russia fight to ensure these remaining Christians don’t have to live under Albanian-Muslim rule — either by partitioning the province, or by fighting the Albanians to keep the province within Serbia — the U.S. and its NATO allies will fight Serbia and Russia to make sure that Europe’s newest, U.S.-created Muslim state gets all the territory it demands.

If this doesn’t worry you, and you’d rather make an exception in your jihad views for an area because it fits in with a more comfortable, manufactured Cold War context, then be prepared for the adverse consequences.

What we’ve set ourselves up for is dealing with still more gangsters and terrorists as we build an oil pipeline that runs from the Caucasus through the Balkans, when we could have worked with a willing Serbia on this from the very beginning – at much less peril to our interests and with a partner that had excellent intelligence and border security structures (before we dismantled the latter).

The rest of the world is sharply divided on Kosovo. Israel easily recognized some parallels to its situation, and is therefore withholding any recognition of independence.

frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.a … 6309200B96

[Chewycorns]

A good explanation on how Kosovo is emerging as a bastion for Radical Islam/ Jihad.

youtube.com/watch?v=UaqThra0kCI&feature=related

[Chewycorns]

[quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]
Sunni Muslims account for more than 90% of the population in Kosovo.[/quote]

Their new flag is the same flag that was worn by the fascist Albanian SS units during World War II.

Look familiar? I don’t think too much has changed in Kosovo (like in Croatia in Tujdman’s time in the early 90s when these sort of symbols were accepted). Kind of ironic that a lot of people think this is a victory for democracy

snyderstreasures.com/pages/ssfv.htm

@Wikipedia

The 21st Waffen SS Mountain Division was the only fully ethnic Albanian division to be recruited during the Second World War. It was established originally to combat partisans with the promise that the territories with a majority Albanian population were to become an independent and unified state to include Albania, Kosovo and Western Macedonia or what Albanian nationalists called “Natural Albania” or “Ethnic Albania”.

The division was placed under the command of SS-Standartenführer August Schmidhuber, later promoted to SS-Oberführer. It fought against communists who were on the increase and consolidating their actions, both in Albania and Yugoslavia as the Second World War was drawing to an end. In Kosovo, the division embarked on ethnic cleansing of the Serbs and other non-Albanians.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffe … t_Albanian

Remember the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?

[/quote]

An Israeli politician gets it. :bravo: I wish some Western politicians and policymakers would listen to Arieh Eldad. Global recognition for Kosovo will be a signal to all the Jihadis, "You won another country,… go for another. "

@American Congress for Truth

M.K. Arieh Eldad is a member of the National Union right wing party in Israel’s parliament-the Knesset. He is a reserve Brig Gen. in the IDF Medical Corps and a world renown plastic surgeon on the faculty at Hebrew University. Unlike many Israeli politicians, Arieh Eldad understands Islamofascism and the threat to Israel and the West. Last fall he traveled to the Brussels Anti-Jihad conference to meet and discuss confronting the global threat of Radical Islam. In this Ma’ariv column he takes apart Israel’s leaders and by implication our own in the US for aiding and abetting the creation of a separatist Muslim state in the Balkans: Kosovo. Eldad refreshes our memory that during WWII, the Kosovars rushed to volunteer for the “Skanderbeg” Waffen SS Division sponsored by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the Haj Amin al Husseini, Hitler’s house guest(see my pics above).

As Eldad points out the recognition of a Muslim separatist state in Eurabia-Kosovo backed by Saudi Arabia sets an ugly precedent for not only the Palestinians, but also for similarly inclined Arab citizens in Israel to do the same, virtually dooming the country. This is indeed a Pandora’s Box that will do nothing except reap the whirlwind, both in Eurabia, the Middle East and many countries around the globe Spain and Canada. What is the careworn expression, be careful what you wish for.

by Arieh Eldad, Ma’ariv, February 22, 2008

[i]The Moslem Republic of Kosovo declared its independence this week. The United States and several European countries have already recognized it. News reports that the Israeli Foreign Ministry was urging swift Israeli recognition were denied, and reporters were told that Israel does not want to be the first to jump, but once the list of countries recognizing Kosovo is longer, Israel will be one of them.

If Israel does recognize Kosovo, this will certainly be the result of a decision made by the prime minister and foreign minister. Such a decision will be indubitable proof of the foolishness and malignant shortsightedness from which they suffer. If their willingness to establish an Arab terrorist state in the heart of our own country can be explained by their having internalized the Peace Now ideology concerning what they call the “occupation” and the demographic problem – there can be no such explanation for Israel’s giving support to Islamic imperialism in Europe.

The fear of the spread of Islam is expressed today in increasing support for conservative parties in Denmark, Holland, Belgium, Switzerland, and Germany. These are not extreme right or neo-Nazi parties but rather mainstream conservative parties. They view Israel as a frontline fortress of Western culture facing jihad, and they fear that this fortress may fall under Arab pressure and because of the weakness of Israel’s leaders. Such Europeans fear the separatist trends among millions of Moslem immigrants in Western Europe, the demands to apply Islamic Sharia law in those countries, and the ideological and financial support the immigrants are getting from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Al Quaida. They are worriedly counting the thousands of mosques being built in Western Europe, and they are made anxious by their understanding of how Moslems have exploited Europeans’ collective guilt feelings over the destruction of the Jews to win surrender to Moslem demands for collective rights, free immigration, and multi-culturalism – all so that the Europeans will not be accused of racism. Millions of Moslem immigrants in Europe supported by billions of Saudi dollars are garnering more and more “rights” and influence.

Islamic proliferation in Europe took in a new country this week. The Moslem minority in Serbia in the Kosovo region bordering the Islamic state of Albania declared its independence. Serbia is a sovereign country, a member of the United Nations, with an ethnic minority. Based on the standards being used for Kosovian independence, the Basques should now be able to set up an independent state in Spain. Such states may also be established in Russia, Slovakia, Greece, and Cyprus. The flag of Kosovo is that of Islamic proliferation and a source of serious anxiety to Europe. Those European countries recognizing Kosovo are doing so under economic pressure from oil-rich Arab countries, the markets of Islamic countries, and internal pressure by millions of Moslem voters in Europe.

Expressing complete political blindness towards the nature of the conflict between Moslems and the rest of the world, Olmert and Tzippi Livni are convinced that establishing an Arab state in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza is in Israel’s political interests. Only someone who doesn’t understand that the conflict has nothing to do with a parituclar boundary can think that drawing such a boundary line along the 1967 borders will solve anything. Only someone who doesn’t understand what the Moslems in Europe want can think that the establishment of an independent Kosovo will resolve the conflict in the Balkans. If Israel joins in recognizing Kosovo, there will be no political, legal, or moral claim it can make to oppose establishing an Arab state in the Galilee and Northern Negev. For what is the difference? An ethnic minority with territorial contiguity to neighboring enemy states demands, following a bloody war, to tear pieces from a sovereign country, and proclaim its independence. This is or will be exactly the demand of the Arabs after the first stage in the “strategy of stages,” the establishment of an independent Palestinian state is, Heaven forbid, attained. And we cannot forget that Arabs and the haters of Israel in Europe portray Israel in colors no less cruel than those used to portray the Serbs, and accusations of genocide are thrown at us just as they were thrown at them. When the day comes when the Arabs in the Galilee declare independence, Israel will have no way to oppose it, assuming it today recognizes a country formed on exactly the same basis.

I have heard commentators explaining that neither we nor Europe should fear Kosovo because the Kosovians are “moderate Moslems.” It was from these moderate Moslems that Haj Amin el-Husseini gathered tens of thousands of volunteers for the 13th SS Division (“Handschar”) and 21st SS Division (“Skanderbeg”). On them he built his dream of marching with Hitler’s armies into Palestine and destroying the Jews of Eretz Israel. Today Israel, together with its European partners, must present a solid front to stop the spread of Islam in Europe, for as long as the Moslem strength there increases, the tendency of European countries to prefer the Arabs over Israel will also increase.[/i]

blog.americancongressfortruth.co … precedent/

[trebuchet]

I feel bad criticizing brown people.