I was surprised USA did this, thought they got rid of slave labour. People in jail do dirty work I guess even with small numbers in jail seems they get hundreds to do that work
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I suppose you have never heard of the chain gangs?
Prison labour is common in the USA. Also in Taiwan.
Taiwan does too. The difference is the US seems to want to intentionally incriminate people for fluff and keep them improsoned. Which is china level bullshit! whereas Taiwan justice system is more based on ego and the whim of the judge. Different, but also bullshit.
In Taiwan recently we saw the price of $600/day per prisoner. Quoted by the jail. Need a van full, i think 8 min. Basic labor standard is about 1500/day for reference. Ranges a bit, foreigners get less, harder labor or skilled labor with citizenship might get 2k
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Alabama has earned hundreds of millions of dollars from prison labor since 2000. | AP News
Gotta love letting prisoners work at McDonalds or other places…but same prisoners deemed too dangerous for parole.
As they should. Start repaying that debt to society…
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How about the journalists in Taiwan trying to speak for freedom of speech that ended ip on green island? What debt do they need to repay?
Not everyone in jail is their due to actual justice, surely you know that? Prison guards and authorities causing problems to prolongue sentences should probably be serving longer terms than the people they are caging, if ethics were the metric…
Anecdotal evidence. Arguments only have to apply to the majority which is 51%
What percentage would you say are these journalists and those affected by the prison guards?
Quite well documented. The jail is now even a museum…where they tell you about this. So, what debt needs repaying?
Slavery is legal in the US (sort of, kind of)
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Debt to society. The majority of prisoners have been deemed to have harmed society in some way shape or form. They need to pay for their crimes. Not sure what the issue is here…
That’s why they’re in jail, right? To pay for their crimes?
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For what? Crime dictated by whom? If you go past fist level, which is where we should be at now, that’s the issue. Any government can incriminate whomever they want on a whim, if they deem it legally binding. In free societies, we have higher standards.
Thus, writing about corruption in a newspaper today shouldn’t be deemed a crime, right?
What do you think?
See you’re doing it again. You don’t like an answer so you’re changing the topic of “should prisoners do labor” to what I reckon is “should we trust government prosecution?”
Start another topic and we can discuss.
To your original point what you said about journalists etc is anecdotal and situational. It doesn’t apply to the majority of cases.
I’ll say it again: the majority (51%) of criminals are in jail for their crimes and prison is a punishment. Cheap labor is a way for them to pay their debt to the society that they have harmed.
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I’m not changing it, I’m saying not everyone in jail legitimately deserves to be in jail. I said this from the get when I quoted your reply. That is the root issue.
I have no disagreement with a properly guilty rapist, murderer etc. I do have great protest with broad brush statements like:
Why do I say this? Because not everyone in jail is guilty. Especially in the US, people may be sitting for months un sentenced. This isn’t justice, this is literally torture.
In Taiwan there are also people serving low level convictions that are not guilty and do labor jobs (already quoted you the price above). Other issue in Taiwan is that if the victims are cool with it, they can settle and even murder people can get away with by paying the victims family. It’s insane. The exact opposite of justice.
This reply belongs exactly in this thread, as this is the root of the issue 
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Yes and I agree - but your example is anecdotal at best (ie very small percentage)
Or are you arguing that in systems that affect millions of people, well either it’s right all the time or we don’t do it?
Can we do anything with such a standard? in the USA elevators kill 30 people a year. Since some people get bad treatment from elevators (death) and unjustly so - therefore we should not use elevators?
And cmon - your argument is only an issue to this thread because you brought it up. Or did we just hijack the thread? 
That is cheap, below wages/ In USA California they use it flight the fire though not many so need fire fighters (maybe few thousand in jail I guess so not enough to fire fight?)
Maybe they should allow more illegal immigrants to enter and commit crimes so we could have more low paid criminal workers.
Well in fact they do less crime in the USA (maybe in Taiwan too as they working hard)
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This argument is a joke, and it’s clear you didn’t even read the article you’re quoting. The study admits it uses arrest rates, which are an imperfect measure of crime that don’t reflect actual offending rates—especially since many crimes by undocumented immigrants, like identity theft and human smuggling, go undetected or unreported. It cherry-picks data from 2012-2018, conveniently overlapping with heavy deportation policies, and ignores the impact of unsolved murders where offenders’ immigration status isn’t known. Plus, who cares if the arrest rate is “lower” when every single crime committed by someone who shouldn’t even be in the country is one crime too many?
Try actually understanding what you’re citing.
Any of this money going to the prisoners? If some then I think it is ok, they don’t need much as having free bed and food, just some incentive
Anyway, if I was in jail, I think I would jump on opportunities to get outside to work, to break the monotony of cell life. But hopefully I never have to face that decision 
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Then you’d love this show, already into multiple seasons, and the convicts are never fat nor ugly.
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