Upcoming February 27th Elections: Who do you think will win?

[quote=“Chewycorns”][quote=“Vorkosigan”]

I must have missed the part where Bi-khim was being appointed legislator from Hualien. Here I thought she was trying to get elected.

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I’m saying since her graduation, she has worked for the DPP. Isn’t that a definition of a party hack, which by the way, is a broad term not just applied to legislators? Was her schooling paid by the party too? (just like with Ma?) :laughing: :laughing: [/quote]

I’m not sure how working for a party makes one a hack. I thought it was longterm commitment to the party for personal gain irrespective of one’s own ideals or values.

Again, entitlement isn’t just for legislators. Many dark green blowhards have also complained about the career KMT bureaucracy. And yet, these candidates for the DPP, with Bi-khim in particular, have been on the party payroll since graduation. Please do clarify what the difference is? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: [/quote]

Between an entitlement and an appointment? It’s not clear to you?

In Bi-khim’s case, she’s running in an election in which she was doomed from the start, to save other DPP politicians the trouble and stain of a loss. She’s the opposite of a hack, because she’s not insisting on turning the party into her personal ATM and job project while mouthing party platitudes. She’s taking a fall for the party to help build the area for the future. Remember the DPP didn’t even field a candidate for the county chief election.

Your spew – it is hardly up to the level of “argument” – has nothing to do with my comment, which was about personal insults. Speaking of reading comprehension.

Vorkosigan

I’m still voting for VORKOSIGAN!

[quote=“bismarck”][quote=“Sean Su”]Someone honest, incorruptible, and genuinely for the good of the people!
:lick: :laughing:[/quote]
No such politician has yet been born. Sorry, mate.[/quote]
Au contraire, my good man

[quote=“Vorkosigan”]

I’m not sure how working for a party makes one a hack. I thought it was longterm commitment to the party for personal gain irrespective of one’s own ideals or values. [/quote]

Working for a party doesn’t make one a hack. However, working your whole professional life for a party and having no experience in the private sector/real world are hardly the ingredients for a great politician. To use an Israeli analogy, it’s the Shimon Peres vs. Yitzhak Rabin comparison with the former being seen by most Israelis as a dreamer with no practical army experience and who was a political mouthpiece from the beginning of his career. And Bi-khim is a poodle with her head in the clouds with very little practical experience.

I’ve applauded Tsai for having this real life experience, but Bi-khim comes across like a granola-crunching novice with her head still stuck in a book at Columbia. 10 years in the international office of the DPP? :laughing: :thumbsdown: More like 10 years of pretentious outreach. The cutsey cartoon she uses annoys me even more. She definitely should have gotten her hands dirty a bit before becoming a professional activist-party hack-CSB courtesan. :laughing: Don’t get me wrong, I probably like her Japanese and American foreign policy outlook better than anything the KMT has to offer (although I prefer the KMT’s free trade policy with China), but she’s still really tacky and short on substance IMHO.

Yeah, from what I hear she is really good at saving politicians from making stains. :laughing: :laughing: :smiley:

I still want to know how come Vork was able to become a DPP member.

I still want to know why he would want to. :smiley:

Looking like a total rout for the KMT. Three out of four for the DPP so far.

Three out of four. Best case scenario for the side of light and goodness. The chances of taking Hualian was somewhere between slim and none at best, and even there, Hsiao put up a pretty good fight. Two takes in the KMT-dominated north. Do you think the KMT will get the message NOW?!?!? Or, are they as blind to voter discontent as the Democrats in the US?

I’m having a hard time grasping how the KMT could be so bad. Completely out to lunch on what is happening in the Real Taiwan. Awful election campaigns in election after election. Ma’s approval ratings are in the dumps, and his own people detest him. Lovely.

Hsiao did better than the DPP internals had predicted, which I think is wonderful. She had so little budget she couldn’t even afford TV commercials.

In Hsinchu the DPP candidate was strongly preferred by educated voters who populate the science park, I wonder if there was some spillover into Taoyuan – the 4 townships in Taoyuan in play included Yangmei, which is a bedroom community for the airport and more distantly, for the science park. I toted up the township votes in the county chief election and the DPP had 3,000 more than the KMT. That the winning margin was about 3,000 is just a coincidence, the turnout was a lot lower. Still, the win in Taoyuan is not as shocking as it might seem given that three of the four townships in that had gone DPP in the most recent previous election – Hsinchu is more interesting, since it the DPP won the swing vote, decisively.

[quote=“sandman”]I still want to know how come Vork was able to become a DPP member.[/quote]I think it should be allowed, as analogous to My Dad’s Rule About Favorite Sports Teams: One was allowed to say “we” when referring to the team as long as one didn’t switch to “they” when said team lost a game.

Brilliant rule. I love it! :thumbsup:

Brilliant rule. I love it! :thumbsup:[/quote]

I used to do that, I guess unconsciously, and he’d bust me on it.

LOL, great rule! I also say “we” when we lose. It’s been “we” for many years now…

Not to the DPP! You’re just one of “them.” :laughing:

Working so early?

We almost forgot about it, this election has been quite low key.

Well…any results in yet on “we” or “them”…?

Inquiring waiguos wanna know!

[quote=“TainanCowboy”]Well…any results in yet on “we” or “them”…?

Inquiring waiguos wanna know![/quote]

True believers, party hacks, and naive uni-students say we.

The rest of us say they as in “they are all bastards only in it for themselves”. :smiley:

[quote=“cfimages”][quote=“TainanCowboy”]Well…any results in yet on “we” or “them”…?

Inquiring waiguos wanna know![/quote]

True believers, party hacks, and naive uni-students say we.

The rest of us say they as in “they are all bastards only in it for themselves”. :smiley:[/quote]

:bravo: :bravo: Exactly. Although non-tenured profs should be added to that list IMHO. :laughing:

CFI & Chewey -

Spot-on with the sentiment. I share it.
I honestly couldn’t give less of a damn which groups of colored vests I see parading on the TV. Same-Same.

What is sad, but really borderline humorous, are the self-loathing waiguos who try to “identify” with this rabble. They are seen nothing more than “useful-tools” and the first ones to get tossed under the bus by the Taiwan power-players. Used and tossed. Disposables.

Oh well…Politics is a truly dirty game. When ya play it correctly…:smiley:

Wow, TC and I have political common ground. The coming together of the left and the right. :smiley: