# US and Taiwan healthcare systems and taxation **URL:** \ **Category:** Health & Fitness\ **Created:** [October 30, 2020, 10:24am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407 "2020-10-30T10:24:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:50pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/21 "2020-10-30T12:50:00Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > Which post? Posted again It is calculated by the same rate. Not progressive like US tax. And, for people who earn more than a certain amount, it is regressive. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/22 "2020-10-30T12:53:53Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > Your objections or not won’t matter, if you wish to continue to live and work here you will be forced to pay whatever is decided. that is the way tax is collected in many countries, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/23 "2020-10-30T12:55:02Z")
> [@tando](#): > > that is the way tax is collected in many countries, isn’t it? Does that make it right? ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:57pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/24 "2020-10-30T12:57:35Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > Does that make it right? if there is a better way, countries maybe have used it. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 12:58pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/25 "2020-10-30T12:58:45Z")
> [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/284): > > if there is a better way, countries maybe have used it. That’s not an answer to the question. > [@tando](#): > > It is calculated by the same rate. Not progressive like US tax. And, for people who earn more than a certain amount, it is regressive. You might want to look at that again. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:00pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/26 "2020-10-30T13:00:44Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > You might want to look at that again. [https://www.nhi.gov.tw/Content\_List.aspx?n=5581FA007B6177B7&topn=5FE8C9FEAE863B46&upn=BD91948631E3736A](https://www.nhi.gov.tw/Content_List.aspx?n=5581FA007B6177B7&topn=5FE8C9FEAE863B46&upn=BD91948631E3736A) ---
**Author:** ![Andrew](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/andrew/32/179806_2.png) [@Andrew](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/Andrew)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:08pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/27 "2020-10-30T13:08:58Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > **forcing people to pay for something they don’t want** and then using that money to pay for people who do want it but don’t want to pay for it is never going to work long term > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/279): > > > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/276): > > > > It seemed to be implied by what you wrote though. > > It wasn’t. Ah okay. In that case, for your future reference, it would be more appropriate to use the pronoun “I” there. As, “forcing **me** to pay for something **I** don’t want” rather than “forcing **people** to pay for something **they** don’t want”. You can find a full list of English pronouns and when to use them [here](https://www.ef.edu/english-resources/english-grammar/pronouns/). > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/279): > > You think that 100% of people want it? No, not 100% - that would be unrealistic. I’d suspect a majority would want it, but I’d need to see the data. But some people are selfish, as you’re adequately demonstrating. > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/279): > > Your objections or not won’t matter, if you wish to continue to live and work here you will be forced to pay whatever is decided. That’s fine for me - sounds like a good system to ensure that everyone has access to decent healthcare. 😊 > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/279): > > A dick move to hope it’s replaced by a fairer system? I suppose, if like you my contributions were small I might be happy to see the current system continue. As you’ve already pointed out, it doesn’t matter one bit what you think, fortunately. > [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/279): > > The point you made? As before, feel free to share the data. It’s still not my point, as you well know. But now that we’ve got the pronoun issue sorted, we should be able to avoid this kind of confusion in the future. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:11pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/28 "2020-10-30T13:11:00Z")
> [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/283): > > > [@tando](#): > > > > that is the way tax is collected in many countries, isn’t it? > > Does that make it right? I think we are forced to pay tax is right. I don’t think society would work well without government. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/29 "2020-10-30T13:12:48Z")
> [@Andrew](#): > > But some people are selfish, as you’re adequately demonstrating. Resorting to personal attacks? Tut, tut. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:19pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/30 "2020-10-30T13:19:55Z")
> [@tando](#): > > I think we are forced to pay tax is right. Being forced to do anything is not right. > [@tando](#): > > I don’t think society would work well without government. Do you think it’s working well with government? [Here’s some data to consider](https://military.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll). ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:21pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/31 "2020-10-30T13:21:25Z")
> [@tando](#): > > [衛生福利部中央健康保險署](https://www.nhi.gov.tw/Content_List.aspx?n=5581FA007B6177B7&topn=5FE8C9FEAE863B46&upn=BD91948631E3736A) > > ### [衛生福利部中央健康保險署](https://www.nhi.gov.tw/Content_List.aspx?n=5581FA007B6177B7&topn=5FE8C9FEAE863B46&upn=BD91948631E3736A) LOL, that proves my point, not yours. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/32 "2020-10-30T13:29:49Z")
> [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/291): > > proves my point, not yours. what is your point? It is flat rate of 4.69%. > [@SuperS54](#): > > Being forced to do anything is not right. jail should not exist? > [@SuperS54](#): > > Do you think it’s working well with government? [Here’s some data to consider](https://military.wikia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll). I don’t think we would be living in a better world without government. ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/33 "2020-10-30T13:38:26Z")
> [@tando](#): > > It is flat rate of 4.69%. Sigh…you can lead a horse to water…So does everyone pay a flat rate of 4.69% from their pocket, regardless of their occupation and salary level? > [@tando](#): > > I don’t think we would be living in a better world without government. Of course you don’t, you’ve been conditioned your whole life to believe that the government of your country knows best and society would fall apart if it didn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/34 "2020-10-30T14:12:51Z")
> [@SuperS54](#): > > you’ve been conditioned your whole life to believe that the government of your country knows best and society would fall apart if it didn’t exist. I’m not talking on my country. The whole world. Do you think we can live in utopia? ---
**Author:** ![SuperS54](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/user_avatar/tw.forumosa.com/supers54/32/137985_2.png) [@SuperS54](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/SuperS54)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/35 "2020-10-30T14:37:19Z")
> [@tando](#): > > I’m not talking on my country. The whole world. Even worse! ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 12:51am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/36 "2020-10-31T00:51:55Z")
> [@Coronavirus - Taiwan (October-December 2020)](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/coronavirus-taiwan-october-december-2020/197887/295): > > > [@tando](#): > > > > I’m not talking on my country. The whole world. > > Even worse! people create government. How can you do better than government? ---
**Author:** ![welcome](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/58f4c7/32.png) [@welcome](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/welcome)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/37 "2020-10-31T01:03:15Z")
> [@Andrew](#): > > But some people are selfish, as you’re adequately demonstrating. Is it selfish to want it to be a voluntary payment? If someone says “I don’t need NHI, I will pay for all my own medical expenses”. How is that selfish? Are you equating selfishness with not wanting to pay other people’s expenses? I’ve got a few bills here, will you pay them? … Don’t be selfish. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:15am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/38 "2020-10-31T01:15:32Z")
> [@welcome](#): > > Is it selfish to want it to be a voluntary payment? If someone says “I don’t need NHI, I will pay for all my own medical expenses”. How is that selfish? don’t want to pay tax to maintain society’s functions is selfish, and most people are selfish, so tax are forced. ---
**Author:** ![welcome](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/w/58f4c7/32.png) [@welcome](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/welcome)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:34am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/39 "2020-10-31T01:34:35Z")
> [@tando](#): > > don’t want to pay tax to maintain society’s functions is selfish, and most people are selfish, so tax are forced. Expecting other people to pay for your medical bill is selfish. Forcing them to pay is theft. ---
**Author:** ![tando](https://forumosa-12829.kxcdn.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tando](https://tw.forumosa.com/u/tando)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407/40 "2020-10-31T01:56:18Z")
> [@welcome](#): > > Expecting other people to pay for your medical bill is selfish. Forcing them to pay is theft You can call them whatever, but that is how tax and government work. [Previous page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407.md?page=1) [Next page](https://tw.forumosa.com/t/us-and-taiwan-healthcare-systems-and-taxation/198407.md?page=3)