[quote]U.S. visitors soon will face tighter security rules
By RACHEL L. SWARNS
New York Times
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WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security announced Friday that it plans to require travelers from 27 industrialized nations – including longtime allies Britain, France, Germany, Spain, Japan and Australia – to be photographed and electronically fingerprinted when they arrive in the United States. [/quote]
The US should just fingerprint everyone. Biometric checking is set to be a feature of immigration checking, not just in America. Soon our passports will carry our fingerprints. I don’t see that as a great infringement, and it’s worthwhile if it ensures safety for all. Even some of those idiot European expansionists are now beginning to rue doing away with border controls. Watch this space!
I don’t mind being fingerprinted at all. It works both ways - if you’re ever arrested, if you didn’t do it you can use your fingerprints/DNA to prove your innocence, as many people are starting to do (it’s kind of scary reading about all these innocent men convicted of murder/rape being released after 20 years down the line they discover that DNA proves that - oops! - we made a mistake! What a horrible waste.) Anyway, there has to be a balance between freedom and security, there are no absolutes - and in this case I think it’s a perfectly reasonable ‘invasion of privacy’ to put up with. I mean, it’s regular airport security practice to randomly search my luggage and have a cop feel me up for weapons, both of which are much more invasive to me than sticking my wet thumb on a pad of paper.
Yes, but how would you feel if you were visiting another country, like here, and they wanted to scan you and fingerprint you? I don’t know if that’d be too fun every time we crossed a border. Wonder if the Canadians will need to be printed too.
Hey, here I have to register with the authorities every time I move (you all DO keep your current address up to date, right? 
). Apparently in the US, no one has any idea where half the non-citizen residents or visitors are at any given time.
In Taiwan, I get my butt thrown out (pretty efficiently, too) 10 days after my employer cancels my visa. In the US, foreigners can hang out for years because no one knows where the heck they are.
Of course it’s easier when you can look at a person and say, “That guy’s a foreigner” (Poagao excepted, of course! )
Yeah, compared to crapping in a glass tube annually just have the privilege to stay here, a couple of thumbprints doesn’t look so onerous.
What do you think they do with all the foreigner crap? 
So the next step must be manditory injections of microchips for each visitor to the US. They do it for dogs and cats…
They will not be printed.
Given the lack of civilized behavior from our
European friends in recent months it’s a pity that
they are not being anally probed as well. Can we get
that included as well?
Fuck Europe.
Love Fred
[quote=“fred smith”]…lack of civilized behavior…
Fuck Europe.[/quote]
Well…
Printing and photographing foreigners might be good.
French: Stop them from bringing is smelly cheese.
English: Stop them from running up US dental bills.
Germany: Stop them from drinking all our beer.
Spain: Stop them from starting bull fights.
Japan: Stop them from bringing in their own instant noodles.
Australia: Stop them from wearing singlets.
There must be many more reasons…
yawn more hyperbole from Alien:
Where is democracy under threat in America? Have you managed to find ONE person who has lost any rights under the Patriot Act yet. I thought after that one with the dirty bomb, Padillo, that you would keep going since “democracy is under threat in America” (said with suitably morose and dour voice) but gosh who else? where else? anyone? but no democracy is under threat in America. Too bad Tommy Tomorrow doesn’t do a cartoon on that since that might be the one best way to reach the Leftie mind through comic books or pompously titled tracts on
Examining the Neoimperialist Vortex in Strategies of Oppression Against Third World People (1998-1999) During My One Month Stay in Honduras at a Shoestring Beach Resort
How America is Wrong: Coca Cola’s Exploitation of the Bolivian Peasantry 1999-2000 During My Two Month Travel Throughout the Country Wherein Like Corporations Have Like So Totally Like Dominated the Country and Like Affected the Like Balance of Payments and Stuff
American Foreign Policy is to Blame for 911 and Now that Other Shit and Stuff is Happening We Can Forget About That As We Blame All New Terrorism on America’s Like Totally Repulsive Acts in Iraq 2002-2003 Like After I Finished Reading This One Great Totally Blew Me Away Book By this God Named Noam Chomsky Despite Never Having Ever Read A Book About of On the Middle East or US Foreign Policy Before
What do you think they do with all the foreigner crap? [/quote]
They use it to make chodofu? 
What do you think they do with all the foreigner crap? [/quote]
They use it to make chodofu? [/quote]
YUM!
[quote=“Alien”]
Yes, but how would you feel if you were visiting another country, like here, and they wanted to scan you and fingerprint you? I don’t know if that’d be too fun every time we crossed a border. Wonder if the Canadians will need to be printed too.[/quote]
Heaven forbid Mohammed Atta have his human rights violated or have his travel plans inconvenienced, eh?
census.gov/dmd/www/ReportRec2.htm
usdoj.gov/oig/special/0205/exec.htm
Oh, the Egyptian?
[quote]Mohammed Atta
Mohammed Atta (September 1, 1968 - September 11, 2001) (also Mohamed, Mohammad), was one of five men identified by the U.S. Justice Department as hijackers of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center in the September 11, 2001 Terrorist Attacks. He is now believed to have been the leader of the attacks.
Atta was born September 1, 1968 in Kafr El Sheikh, a city in the Nile Delta in Egypt and also carried a Saudi passport. He grew up in Cairo, Egypt and graduated with a degree in architecture from Cairo University. He then moved to Germany, where he was registered as a student of urban planning at the Technical University of Hamburg-Harburg in Hamburg from 1993 to 1999.
Initially, Mohammed Atta’s identity was confused with that of a native Jordanian, Mahmoud Mahmoud Atta, who bombed a bus in 1986 on the Israel-controlled West Bank, killing one and severely injuring three. Mahmoud Mahmoud Atta, a naturalized US citizen, was subsequently deported from Venezuela to the United States, extradited to Israel, tried and sentenced to life in prison. The Israeli supreme court later invalidated his extradition and set him free; his whereabouts are unknown. He is 14 years older than Mohammed Atta. After the September 11 attacks, a general furor arose over the supposed failure of immigration authorities and the US intelligence community to stop a known terrorist from entering the country under his true name. Eventually, the Boston Globe factually reported details from records at the US Circuit Court of Appeals detailing the detention and subsequent extradition of Mahmoud Mahmoud Atta from the US.
In Germany, the real Mohammed Atta was registered as a citizen of the United Arab Emirates. His German friends describe him as an intelligent man with religious beliefs who grew angry over the Western policy toward the Middle East, including the Oslo Process and the Gulf War. MSNBC in its special “The Making of the Death Pilots” interviewed German friend Ralph Lodenstien who traveled, worked and talked a lot with Mohammed Atta. Ralph said, “He (Atta) was most imbued actually about Israeli politics in the region and about US protection of these Israeli politics in the region. And he was to a degree personally suffering from that.” While in Germany, Mohammed Atta became more and more religious, especially after a pilgrimage to Mecca in 1995, started attending an Islamic prayer group in 1999 at the university and is thought to have recruited for fundamentalist causes there. In late 1999, he reported his passport stolen, possibly to erase travel visas to Afghanistan. In July 2000, Atta enrolled at Huffman Aviation International in Venice, Florida. He was always accompanied by Marwan Alshehhi, a hijacker of United Airlines flight 175; Atta claimed to be of royal Saudi descent and presented Alshehhi as his bodyguard. In December, he went to the Miami area to practice on a Boeing 727 simulator. He returned to Germany and left again in May 2001, first travelling to Spain and then on to Florida.
US investigators claim that Atta sent a package to Mustafa Ahmed in the United Arab Emirates on September 4. Mustafa Ahmed is central to the funding of al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden’s terror organization.
In the week before the attack, he was seen drinking and playing video games in a Florida sports bar. (Note: Many people question this element of the biography of Atta since it is highly unlikely that a devout, religiously extreme man would violate fundamental rules of his religion as he prepared himself for “martyrdom.”) Atta spent the day before the attack with another hijacker, Abdulaziz Alomari, in South Portland and Scarborough, Maine. In the morning of September 11, they drove to the Portland International Jetport (PWM), flew to Logan International Airport in Boston and boarded American Airlines flight 11.
Because the flight from Portland to Boston had been delayed, his bags did not make it onto Flight 11. When later found by US authorities, they contained airline uniforms, flight manuals and a four page document in Arabic, copies of which were also found with the terrorists of the other three planes. It contains a list of instructions, such as “make an oath to die and renew your intentions”, “you should feel complete tranquillity, because the time between you and your marriage in heaven is very short”, “check your weapon before you leave and long before you leave. You must make your knife sharp and you must not discomfort your animal during the slaughter”.
The writer of this document is now believed to have been Abdulaziz Alomari.
It is believed that Atta was a ringleader of the terrorist attacks, and probably piloted the plane. In a video released by the US government, Osama bin Laden points to Atta as the leader of the attacks (see videos of bin Laden). Atta’s father, a retired lawyer in Egypt, characterized this accusation in an interview as ridiculous, calling his son gentle and shy.
[/quote]
nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Mohammed-Atta
Goodness, the word “IRAQ” doesn’t even surface in this biography.
Funny too, that Huffman doesn’t background check its aviators. Hmmm…
Also, when terrorists are entering the US on US passports, then the logic behind this act seems to be flawed. It will be innocents who will be detained and questioned, while a maelstrom of terrorists will continue to enter the country with their bought, stolen, naturalized or borrowed US passports or Canadian ones, since they won’t need to be fingerprinted or “scanned” like ‘normal’ people. Will they?
[quote=“Alien”]Oh, the Egyptian?
Goodness, the word “Iraq” doesn’t even surface in this biography. [/quote]
Maybe you should improve your reading habits.
UN envoy confirms terrorist meeting
The Prague Post
The Czech envoy to the UN has confirmed that an Iraqi agent met with suspected Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta, in the latest rebuke to widespread U.S. media reports dismissing the Prague encounter as a fabrication.
“The meeting took place,” Hynek Kmonicek, a former deputy foreign minister, told The Prague Post flatly in a New York City interview.
Czech Interior Minister Stanislav Gross announced last fall that Atta and Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, a second consul at the Iraqi Embassy in Prague, had conversed at least once, in April 2001. Gross would not rule out other encounters.
The controversial meeting became known as “the Prague connection” and was mentioned frequently as a possible pretext for renewed hostilities between the United States and Iraq.
Al-Ani was expelled from the Czech Republic April 22, 2001 – less than a month after the conversation – for “engaging in activities beyond his diplomatic duties,” a phrase usually reserved for allegations of spying or terrorist-related activities.
Another reason why people should have second thoughts about going to the USA:
Visit Canada or Europe instead…
British Accountant Kept Shackled at JFK Airport, Denied Water For 24 Hours By Homeland Security
prisonplanet.tv/articles/apr … meland.htm
“An evil exists that threatens every
man, woman, and child of this great nation.
We must take steps to ensure our domestic security
and protect our homeland.”
Sounds like Bush to me…
[quote=“European”]
British Accountant Kept Shackled at JFK Airport, Denied Water For 24 Hours By Homeland Security
prisonplanet.tv/articles/apr … meland.htm
“An evil exists that threatens every
man, woman, and child of this great nation.
We must take steps to ensure our domestic security
and protect our homeland.”
Sounds like Bush to me…[/quote]
It’s just official US Bushshit xenophobic policies in action. Imagine the sanctimonious outcry in the US if it were an American accountant shackled at Heathrow. One set of standards for Americans, another set for the inferior beings of the rest of planet.
Could someone please just shoot George Bush and put the world back on an even and rational keel.