USA urged to keep control of Web

According to news reports, some U.S. lawmakers are urging the Bush people to resist a push from other countries to shift control of the Internet to the United Nations, arguing that such a move would stifle innovation and free expression.

YES or NO? Comments

We should definitely transfer control to the UN! Just imagine how much money Kofi Annan’s sons will be able to earn then.

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[quote=“mightyChip”]We should definitely transfer control to the UN! Just imagine how much money Kofi Annan’s sons will be able to earn then.

:noway:[/quote]

Aren’t they the guys who run the “Nigerian Scam”?

I’m not sure the UN would do any better, but the US is by far the world’s worst source of spam and the government refuses to take real action against it (after many years of deliberation Congress finally passed a federal anti-spam act that everyone knew would be completely ineffective, and it has now proven to be so). Perhaps someone else could do better in that regard.

[quote]The 10 Worst Spam Origin Countries As at 22 October 2005

Rank / Country / Number of Current Known Spam Issues
1 United States 2434
2 China 513
3 South Korea 291
4 Russia 240
5 Taiwan 209
6 Japan 179
7 Canada 162
8 Brazil 128
9 United Kingdom 107
10 Argentina 94[/quote]

spamhaus.org/statistics/countries.lasso

Here’s a list of 200 known spam operations responsible for 80% of all spam. Notice how the great majority of them are based in the US.

spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso

Maybe those who oppose the loss of US control of the Net just don’t want to lose access to all those penis enlargement pills and other spam products.

[quote=“Mother Theresa”]I’m not sure the UN would do any better, but the US is by far the world’s worst source of spam and the government refuses to take real action against it (after many years of deliberation Congress finally passed a federal anti-spam act that everyone knew would be completely ineffective, and it has now proven to be so). Perhaps someone else could do better in that regard.

[quote]The 10 Worst Spam Origin Countries As at 22 October 2005

Rank / Country / Number of Current Known Spam Issues
1 United States 2434
2 China 513
3 South Korea 291
4 Russia 240
5 Taiwan 209
6 Japan 179
7 Canada 162
8 Brazil 128
9 United Kingdom 107
10 Argentina 94[/quote]

spamhaus.org/statistics/countries.lasso

Here’s a list of 200 known spam operations responsible for 80% of all spam. Notice how the great majority of them are based in the US.

spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso

Maybe those who oppose the loss of US control of the Net just don’t want to lose access to all those penis enlargement pills and other spam products.[/quote]

YES!! EVEN SPAM IS THE FAULT OF THE USA!! HA HA HA! THOSE LOSERS.

According to news.techwhack.com/2224/131034-u … -internet/ the US share of spam is down to 26% so far in 2005 (from 42% in 2004). So things are getting better. And personally I get about 3 spam emails a week into my inbox. There are other – and better – ways to deal with problems than a bunch of new laws, rules, or whatever.

And I think that an analysis of the ratio of people who use the internet to those who send spam would show a very different picture of the US in comparison to, say, China.

But I think it’s funny that what is suggested is that the unelected (and oh so incorrupt) bureaucrats at the UN should be able to make rules about what kind of email is permissible. Maybe next they will outlaw email from Republicans, or email that contains content that goes against the official UN opinion on abortion, birth control, gun control… and once again the US will be picking up the tab for getting itself screwed.

They should give it back to Britain. We invented it.

I even get spam from the US governement. My inbox is flooded with messages from the US green card program:

[quote]Dear Adam,

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Maybe San Francisco?

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and study legally in the USA. Be a winner too.

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Sincerely,
Dan Gold
Director Customer Satisfaction
USAFIS Organization [/quote]

Well Dan.

1). Where did you get my name from?

2). Where did you get my e-mail address from?

3). I’m on a British Passport and therefore not elegible.

4). I’ve repeatedly told you not to send me mail

5). I was born in f#ck*ng Texas, you half-wit :unamused: :bravo:

What chance do we have if the US Gov is in on the act?

[quote=“Dangermouse”]
I even get spam from the US governement. My inbox is flooded with messages from the US green card program:

What chance do we have if the US Gov is in on the act?[/quote]

It’s not from the US government.

From their website at usafis.org/

[quote]Secure Green Card Lottery online application services

HOLY SHIT! most spam comes from the us? ??? this is on a par with where most cheesy pop music comes from.

The US government may not be a perfect defender of freedom of information. But how can we entrust the Internet to a UN so vulnerable to the backroom maneuvers of third-world big brother China? Don’t know about other countries, it’s a chilling prospect for Taiwan.

The US is an evil cult.

Sorry, Monday morining mood.
My country also, don’t worry.

[quote=“Dangermouse”]I even get spam from the US governement. My inbox is flooded with messages from the US green card program:[/quote]Dangermouse -

Read the fine print:

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[quote="mightyChip
"]But I think it’s funny that what is suggested is that the unelected (and oh so incorrupt) bureaucrats at the UN should be able to make rules about what kind of email is permissible. Maybe next they will outlaw email from Republicans, or email that contains content that goes against the official UN opinion on abortion, birth control, gun control… and once again the US will be picking up the tab for getting itself screwed.[/quote]

Funny, I don’t remember the last time myself nor the rest of about 6 billion non-US citizens on this planet voted for any representative of the US govt. At least I did get to vote for someone who sent representatives to the UN.

Maybe the republicans should send some of their guys to give the UN lessons to curtail corruption…I hear Tom Delay’s schedule opened up lately.

And remember the UN is collective group that only makes decisions by consensus. Member nations, especially the most powerful ones, only have to conform to what they have agreed to conform to. Can you offer any UN laws that have affected abortion, birth control or gun control laws in the US?

[quote=“skullboy”]
Funny, I don’t remember the last time myself nor the rest of about 6 billion non-US citizens on this planet voted for any representative of the US govt.[/quote]

yawn.

[quote=“Dangermouse”]They should give it back to Britain. We invented it.[/quote]If you mean the World Wide Web, yes, it was invented by Tim Berners-Lee, a Brit. If you mean the Internet, it was invented by Americans, if you mean teh intarweb, it was invented by Bill Gates.
I assume Cola is talking about the Internet rather than the Web, I don’t see any problems with the way the Americans are running their end of it, certainly better than if the UN controlled it, with China wanting to change .tw to .cn and censor any bit they don’t like.

[quote=“Comrade Stalin”]yawn.
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Man, how asinine can you get? A argument isn’t wrong because you’ve heard it before.

Personally, the internet seems to be running perfectly fine from my perspective. I don’t see any reason or need to switch it to UN control.

But mightyChip’s argument is that representives of a country representing a small percentage of the world’s population is more democratic than a group of representatives made up of every country in the world. Maybe I missed something in political theory class that you’d like to point out to me?

[quote=“skullboy”]
But mightyChip’s argument is that representives of a country representing a small percentage of the world’s population is more democratic than a group of representatives made up of every country in the world. Maybe I missed something in political theory class that you’d like to point out to me?[/quote]

The world isn’t a particularly democratic place. Perhaps you were napping in class that day.

It’s all the same to me. What’s the difference between it all?
I’m thick at computers. :laughing:

My mum should control the internet. Off by 10pm and no porn sites unless she’s out shopping.

[quote="Comrade Stalin
"]The world isn’t a particularly democratic place. Perhaps you were napping in class that day.[/quote]

You’re an inspiration for a better world.

But back on topic…are there any ways in which the US is controlling the net? It’s seems like the net has been allowed to develop whereever private enterprise has decided to take it, remarkably free if anything from constraint. No?

I’m curious. Has the US government censored information on the internet for political reasons? I’ve read recently on a blogger’s site (source no longer accessible) that his company’s porn-blocking software includes Chinese dissident web sites and some Chinese-language news sites in its blocking list – for “intolerance and hatred.”

I’m not sure what that means. Who’s responsible? The software makers or the company’s web masters?

I suspect softwares developed for use in the US may be blocking Chinese-language sites not to the liking of the Chinese government. It’s like the “Taiwan, province of China” thing on a lot of US online shopping sites.

I wonder if this is the case, and if websites disliked by the US government may also end up the same way.

Wow, BFM, is that true? Where did you see that reported? Can you send link? Just amazing chutzpah on Chicoms’ part!