That’s it Yankee Boys…join the US Army now! You get lots of guns n ammo, plenty of rope, chains, shackles and hoods as well as an endless supply of subservient little, smooth-bottomed Arab boys to play with.
Congratulations to the nascent penal (should that be penile?) system in Iraq for providing the guardians of the free world the opportunity to bot with impunity in another country.
President Rush, when expressing his shock on CNN, did so with a squeaky voice; methinks he had a boner. Donald Bumsfeld is probably drooling over the pictures right now.
I was under the impression that the USA wanted to win ‘hearts and minds’ in Iraq. Seems like they have only succeeding in capturing willies and bottoms.
The US has f***ed up big time with this PR disaster and there is no justification for this despicable behaviour whatsoever.
The whole thing is unsurprising really; the US is shockingly amateurish in its understanding of what it takes to administer a foreign country.
I agree - it’s just pathetic, and it shames the entire US military, which is too bad, because there are some fine people in the military. If I were Iraqi, I wouldn’t be too impressed right now. :fatchance:
To be perfectly fair, it’s not just the U.S. Army in Iraq.
[quote]By Michael Holden
LONDON (Reuters) - A probe has been launched into allegations British soldiers tortured Iraqi prisoners, a day after similar revelations involving U.S. troops received widespread condemnation.
Britain’s army chief General Sir Mike Jackson ordered an immediate inquiry after it emerged that the Daily Mirror in its Saturday editions was to publish photos of British soldiers abusing prisoners.
The paper told Reuters the images included one of a British soldier urinating on a crouching, hooded Iraqi.[/quote]
If US military are increasingly targetted and US citizens are randomly attacked, if terrorism increases exponentially, if the Middles East boils over, if the coalition withers to nought, if no-one ever listens to the US again, if it all goes horribly wrong (more wrong) then the US should take a good look at itself and blame itself. No amount of neo-con argument can justify this monumental screw up on the part of the US military. I agree, Maoman, if I were an Iraqi, I would be little impressed and if I were an Iraqi sitting on the fence, I would surely get off and take up arms against the US. It is not Fallujah or Najaf that pose a risk to the stability of the entire country but this sort of thing. Engaging in torture and humiliation on the part of a few gung-ho ‘I’ve-got-a-gun-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh’ thicko hillbilly adolescents supposedly there to liberate Iraq and its people has eroded any moral high ground the US may have had left. In my view, the US administration should be abandoned by the remaining partners in this so-called coalition and left to stew and rot in the desert sands of Iraq. These pictures will be the downfall of Monkey Bush and his acolytes and come November, we shall all rejoice. Now is the time to marginalize the United States and let them count their body bags alone.
At the very least, the perpetrators of these disgusting acts of torture should be executed. But they won’t be because US moral superiority values one American life above the lives of non-Americans. Period.
Bush and cronies: You’ve lost it all now…ha, f***ing, ha! :upyours:
it’s always interesting how those who claim to have so much concern about the welfare of us troops in iraq are also the ones who so gleefully paint them all as idiotic, sadistic hillbillies.
the actions of those soldiers were disgraceful and disgusting and they(and their commanding officers) should be punnished to the full extent of military law. but i’m glad that the pentagon is airing this in public and treating it seriously instead of covering it up.
broon, on my tv right this moment, they are reading off the names of every us soldier who’s died in iraq since the end of the invasion. perhaps you would like to provide a voiceover commenting on what a bunch of uneducated, gung-ho hicks they were as each name is read out.
The underlying problem is that while the Bush Administration and its supporters claimed they were concerned about the rights and welfare of the Iraqi people – and Palestinian people – beneath the surface they’re actually full of contempt and suspicion towards Arab and Muslim people and that attitude filtered down from the top to the level of the average trooper trying to cope with a nearly overwhelming situation.
Most likely these incidents will help the U.S. Supreme Court to see that Guantanamo is built on the same underlying contempt.
[quote=“spook”]
The underlying problem is that while the Bush Administration and its supporters claimed they were concerned about the rights and welfare of the Iraqi people – and Palestinian people – beneath the surface they’re actually full of contempt and suspicion towards Arab and Muslim people and that attitude filtered down from the top to the level of the average trooper trying to cope with a nearly overwhelming situation.
Most likely these incidents will help the U.S. Supreme Court to see that Guantanamo is built on the same underlying contempt.[/quote]
Absolutely. Treat the world as contemptuously as the US does at present and it would be hardly surprising if more 9/11’s happened. The only people who will be shocked and surprised will be the arrogant leaders in Washington. Unfortunately, that’ll just make them worse.
[quote=“Flipper”]it’s always interesting how those who claim to have so much concern about the welfare of US troops in Iraq are also the ones who so gleefully paint them all as idiotic, sadistic hillbillies.
I am NOT concerned about the US troops in Iraq.
the actions of those soldiers were disgraceful and disgusting and they(and their commanding officers) should be punnished to the full extent of military law. but I’m glad that the pentagon is airing this in public and treating it seriously instead of covering it up.
Gosh…that’s OK then.
broon, on my tv right this moment, they are reading off the names of every us soldier who’s died in Iraq since the end of the invasion. perhaps you would like to provide a voiceover commenting on what a bunch of uneducated, gung-ho hicks they were as each name is read out.[/quote]
I weep with you. How sad. You are being subjected to propaganda. Will you have enough time to listen to the names of the Iraqi dead? Or Palestinians who have died at the hands of US contempt for towel heads proxy, Ariel Sharon? Of course not. They aren’t as important as Jon Boy from Hicksville, the all-American football player, high school kid who tends grand mommy’s flowers after bible class. Nah.
nothing like a laughing smilie to show how outraged you are about this whole thing. wait, that’s not outrage. that’s celebration. nevermind.[/quote]
I am outraged by the disclosure of evidence of torture (by British troops as well) and I celebrate the possible consequence of Bushfuck being ousted from office. It will be the biggest party since the Millennium.
If it is on Newsnight (CNN) with that opinionated fascist git Aaron Braun :wanker: , then it is not anti-war propaganda, it is dyed in the wool pro-Americana, nationalist bullshit targetted toward picket fence small town America where Church, God, Family Values and The Good 'Ol US of A rule supreme. And where Christian fundamentals breed and spread like ebola in the confused, dying, rotting carcass called America.
I’m an American citizen. These recurring paroxysms of extremism (neoconservatism, McCarthyism, racism . . . ) don’t define the soul of our nation. They’re aberrations.
Everything I believe in and have spoken up for is based on values I was taught by my small town American upbringing.
At its core, America is virtuous and just. Our open system of government is just prone to being hijacked by extremists from time to time and it just takes time for us to take the country back and set it on the right course again.
I agree - it’s just pathetic, and it shames the entire US military, which is too bad, because there are some fine people in the military. If I were Iraqi, I wouldn’t be too impressed right now. :fatchance:[/quote]
We are supposed to think of the US Army as all powerful. They are not. They have lots of guns etc. but in a one on one fight, fisticuffs etc. the average American GI would probably have the living crap beaten out of them by any foe. Pit an American footballer against a Rugby player and the American footballer will lose in a scrap. The padding in that game is designed to make them look tough in the same way as the US Army ‘looks’ tough. In reality it is an organization of teeniebopper under-educated morons who are in fact a bunch of wimps which has an organization never won a war on its own. The US military is nothing to be afraid of. Good luck to the resistance fighters in Iraq; nothing wrong with fighting foreigners on your own soil, especially an occupying army that landed on a pretext and a plethora of lies. I will support the assassination of George W. Bush as would most of the civilised world. As a supreme representative of that era, he is dragging the USA back into the stone age. Sorry Spook, you sound like a nice guy, nothing personal but your president incites hatred by his mere presence. Killing him would not be treachery, it would be a service. Any American that assassinated Bush would be regarded as a noble hero in the eyes of many, in the same way as Klaus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg was for his attempt to kill Hitler.
um, ok then. you have officially entered the european/ac_dropout zone. for a while there you had me fooled. i thought you actually wanted to participate in rational discourse. don’t mind me, carry on with your ignorant mindless ranting. toodles…
[quote=“BroonAle”]We are supposed to think of the US Army as all powerful. They are not. They have lots of guns etc. but in a one on one fight, fisticuffs etc. the average American GI would probably have the living crap beaten out of them by any foe. Pit an American footballer against a Rugby player and the American footballer will lose in a scrap. The padding in that game is designed to make them look tough in the same way as the US Army ‘looks’ tough. In reality it is an organization of teeniebopper under-educated morons who are in fact a bunch of wimps which has an organization never won a war on its own. The US military is nothing to be afraid of. Good luck to the resistance fighters in Iraq; nothing wrong with fighting foreigners on your own soil, especially an occupying army that landed on a pretext and a plethora of lies. I will support the assassination of George W. Bush as would most of the civilised world. As a supreme representative of that era, he is dragging the USA back into the stone age. Sorry Spook, you sound like a nice guy, nothing personal but your president incites hatred by his mere presence. Killing him would not be treachery, it would be a service. Any American that assassinated Bush would be regarded as a noble hero in the eyes of many, in the same way as Klaus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg was for his attempt to kill Hitler.
Time to undo the Revolution and take it back. [/quote]
[quote=“Flipper”]the actions of those soldiers were disgraceful and disgusting and they(and their commanding officers) should be punnished to the full extent of military law. but I’m glad that the pentagon is airing this in public and treating it seriously instead of covering it up.
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Do you mean to say that you think they should be executed?
That’s the full extent of military law–however, in this instance, this particular law probably can’t be applied.
What punishment do you think ought to be dished out? I’m sure there’s a law which regulates punishment for such deeds, but I doubt it increases just because the whole world now has access to pictures proving it and loudly demands such punishment.
I’m sure the Pentagon would’ve loved to cover it up, and I’m sure that some heads are gonna roll because it wasn’t. They claim that it’s an isolated incident and I hope that is the case. However, it’s hard to imagine that the only incidents of severe mistreatment–abuse, whatever you wanna call it–just so happened to be those that were photographed by a bunch of trophy-hungry-Rambo wannabes.
Imagine a bunch of American soldiers, stripped down to nothing with Arabs ridiculing them. Now imagine such a scene photographed and sent out to every home in America. How would Americans react? Would they be content with the explanation that it was an isolated incident and wasn’t representative of Arabs? Do you think they would take a ‘wait and see’ approach and let justice take its course? Americans are not known for going to such lengths and I’m pretty sure that in a case such as this they would be even less likely to do so.
It’s shameful and there is no possible defense of it. What can you say? I’ve often heard that the US military is the best trained, best equipped in the world. This isn’t indicative of it and any excuse for it isn’t likely to find much of an audience, particularly with Arabs.
On the one, they are killing and torturing Muslims.
On the other, they are Americans.
To decide which deserve more my hatred.
Broonale speaks words of truth. Now is the time to kill for more death lest the fascist Nazi sons of vipers Bush squads kill again! It is time to save the world and destroy the one nation that leads us to our doom. Fat hamburger eating cowboys. The world it laughs at you and your phony president and every day millions pray that your country dies and is destroyed. You are Americans you are too stupid to understand this. So like pigs to the slaughter you will die for your Bush Emperor like lemmings over a cliff with the Jews who lead you like sheep. But what do you expect from the land of McDonalds Coca-Cola barbarians.
What can we Americans say? Nah, we’re really not stupid; we just do stupid things.
or–We do stupid things sometimes, but we’re really not stupid. You just don’t get it.
or–Some of us are stupid, but most of us aren’t
or–Our intentions are good
or–You just don’t understand :raspberry:
or–You think that was stupid? Just wait and see
or–We’re not stupid, you’re stupid!!! :fume:
or–We try not to do stupid things, but sometimes people we can’t control --Americans–do things that may be misconstrued as stupid but aren’t actually so.
or–Sorry about that
or–We didn’t mean to
or–We’re here to liberate you, whether it be of your clothing, your dignity, your sense of self, your sense that you are better than cattle, your family, whatever. Liberty is good!! Go nudity!! :lovestruck:
