“your sense that you are better than cattle”
I do not understand this. Attempted insult? Cattle are creatures of the divine. Mock my people at your own peril.
You Americans and Muslims deserve each other. When you get your holy war you can kill each other off.
I am just joking! No not really. It is half a joke and half a prayer.
[quote=“Rajibal Bagneesh”]“your sense that you are better than cattle”
I do not understand this. Attempted insult? Cattle are creatures of the divine. Mock my people at your own peril.
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Nah! I would never attempt an insult. Cattle may be creatures of the divine, but what does that mean to AMERICA? 
Didn’t mean to offend you. Even if you were only pretending to be offended and were not actually offended.
Strange how the three biggest pro american posters in temrs of volume are absent from this thread. Fred, Blueface, Tigerman, nothing to say about the shame that this brings to the American people, or are you still trying to find pro american justification for this.
I’m pretty sure they’ll come back with something good. Hell, they’ll probably spin straw into gold. Don’t underestimate them. They’re not stupid. I’m pretty sure they’re smarter than me.
I’m pretty sure they’ll come back with something good. Hell, they’ll probably spin straw into gold. Don’t underestimate them. They’re not stupid. I’m pretty sure they’re smarter than me.[/quote]
Tigerman is out of the country on a business trip.
[quote=“BroonAle”][quote]We are supposed to think of the US Army as all powerful. They are not. They have lots of guns etc. but in a one on one fight, fisticuffs etc. the average American GI would probably have the living crap beaten out of them by any foe. Pit an American footballer against a Rugby player and the American footballer will lose in a scrap[/quote].
Broon Ale,
What planet are you from? The statement you have made above has nothing to do with what is happening in Irag. Why does it seem impossible for you to stick to the topic and not bring in your anti-American crap? As you well know, British soldiers are also in Irag losing their lives while you sit in front of the computer and use what limited brain cells you obvously have to create a fantasy scenario about Rugby players and American football players having a fight. Are you for real? Wait. I already know the answer.
[quote]The padding in that game is designed to make them look tough in the same way as the US Army ‘looks’ tough. In reality it is an organization of teeniebopper under-educated morons who are in fact a bunch of wimps which has an organization never won a war on its own. The US military is nothing to be afraid of. Good luck to the resistance fighters in Iraq[/quote];
Broon ale, the only moron is you! Most of the soldiers fighting in Iraq would love nothing more than to be out of that country and back home with their loved ones but they are there because that is where they are being sent by the government that they serve. They are not uneducated morons, wimps or any other name you care to bestow upon them. They are human beings who are trying to stay alive. Whether you agree with the what is happening in Iraq or not, your comments are revolting.
Now you are advocating the assassination of the US President. Get a life you jerk!
if troopers break the rules, punish em.
anybody here ever read “slaughterhouse five”?
Perhaps instead of the “Mission Accomplished” banner, W should have used this:
This Iraqi seems a hell of alot brighter than most of those posting here…
"Every time I see these pictures that show some American soldiers and officers abusing and humiliating Iraqi prisoners I feel very upset and disgusted. Many of you wanted to know how we feel about those crimes and the people responsible for them and my opinion is simply this: those soldiers must be brought to justice and punished.
There are tens of thousands of coalition soldiers in Iraq, and of course not all of them are pure angels; they
The abuses took place over a three month period last year – October through December. The Army has known about it since this past February.
Lieutenant General Ricardo S. Sanchez, the senior commander in Iraq, ordered an investigation which resulted in a fifty-three-page report written by Major General Antonio M. Taguba.
Major General Taguba concluded in his report that most likely Colonel Thomas Pappas, the commander of one of the M.I. brigades at Abu Ghraib, Lieutenant Colonel Steven Jordan, the former director of the Joint Interrogation and Debriefing Center, civilian contractor, Steven Stephanowicz, of CACI International and another CACI employee, John Israel
[quote=“blueface666”]
"What happened was awful, that
This makes me ashamed to be an American. These soldiers should be executed, and no, I am not being facetious. This is such an international disgrace and rallying point for anti-Americanism that if these soldiers are not given the fullest penalty before the law, as an example…well, we all know what happened when an all-white jury aquitted the policemen who beat up Rodney King, don’t we? You want to see the L.A. riots on an Iraq-level scale?
Nope, I don’t, either. These pieces of shit should be publicly humiliated and tortured, for blood justice’s sake. It’s the only thing that will satisfy the blood vengeance and justifiable rage of the Arab world against a U.S. that tortures and kills its people.
When the British and French were running their empires, they knew that such draconian punishments of their own soldiers in the name of discipline were necessary in order to preserve their good image and interests, and made no shy bones about it. The U.S. should learn how to do the same.
How about just hand over them to the Iraqi people ?
If the Geneva Conventions and international law are irrelevant or don’t apply in the ‘war on terror’ then what constraints apply?
[color=blue]“The savagery the Americans have practiced against the Iraqis, well, now we have seen it, touched it and felt it,” Abbas said. “These types of actions will grow more hostile forces against the coalition, and this is the reason for the resistance.”
The photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib – images that reached Iraqi newspapers on Sunday, following a three-day holiday – have reinforced the long-held view here that the U.S. occupation is intent on humiliating the Iraqi people. The system has been rife with complaints for months, but now the testimony of former Iraqi prisoners claiming abuse at the hands of U.S. jailers has gained new credibility while further damaging the reputation of the U.S. occupation authority.
Interviews with former Iraqi prisoners and human-rights advocates present a picture of the U.S. prison system here as a vast wartime effort to extract information from the enemy rather than to punish criminals. Former prisoners say lengthy interrogation sessions, employing sleep depravation, severe isolation, fear, humiliation and physical duress, were regular features of their daily regimen and remain so for the estimated 2,500 to 7,000 people inside the jails.
The system comprises 16 prisons, four of which hold prisoners accused of being part of the anti-occupation insurgency. But there are countless other holding cells on U.S. bases, many once used by former president Saddam Hussein’s government, where young Iraqis spend their first fearful hours in captivity. . .[/color]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61560-2004May2.html
[quote=“cableguy”]
Now you are advocating the assassination of the US President. Get a life you jerk![/quote]
As if the USA has a monopoly on determining who should and who should not be bumped off. A substantial number of people (rational and those feigning irrationality in order to fuel a debate - you get a life instead Mr. Sensitive) would not shed a single tear at the death of George Bush; such is the miserable level of regard he has dragged the US down to in the eyes of the rest of the world.
As for revolting comments…that’s up to you to decide. Had it not occurred to you that they may be deliberately inflammatory?
Blueface: No I am not a jerk. You take bait far too easily. Love You too darlin’ :lovestruck:
Good idea. And if their parents object and do that soppy you can’t do that to my son crap on US networks, string them up too for failing to bring up their kids properly. As another poster pointed out, the British and French knew what to do do to mollify their colonial subjects when instances such as this occurred in their ‘colonies’. An eye for an eye. It would display an understanding of Arab culture and not be far off the notion of execution in the US penal system.
You don’t like what I say?
Tough.
Wow America and the UK are getting into the same trouble that Canada had in Somalia. Ummm I don’t know if America signed the Geneva convention or for that matter did Iraq?
not only are you a troll, you’re a BAD troll. 
Not sure what a troll is really. But if it makes you happy that I am one then so be it. Like I care or something. If you want to get personal, go ahead, doesn’t bother me. :lovestruck:
Nonetheless, the original post and the ‘bait’ thereafter did foster some form of debate. Of course, extremist gun-toting Vietnam Vet. nuts like Blueface (Love ya…kiss kiss) had to get personal and actually mean it.
At the end of the day, the acts of barabrism committed by US and British troops in Iraq are unacceptable and if the whole Iraq venture and the so-called ‘Coalition’ falls apart, then the leaders of the coalition need look no further than themselves for a reason.
And what is wrong with wanting George W. Bush dead, anyway? There’s no law against wanting him shot. Wanting leaders dead has at times been part of US foreign policy anyway. Just because GWB is an American president, doesn’t mean he is immune from others wishing him dead. Kill him. Do the world a favour.
One important difference between the cases has been that once details of torture and murder by Canadian Forces emerged both Gen. Jean Boyce and Defense Minister David Collenette came under pressure to resign. It strikes me as unusual that there haven’t been any calls for Mr. Rumsfeld to step aside - perhaps it’s not part of American politics for defense ministers to take responsibility for those under their command.