What An Amazingly Ugly Place

Every so often I take a trip down south from Taipei with my wife to visit my in-laws who live in a small town, and although I have been making this trip for a while now it still leaves me breathing hard with exasperation at the unrelenting, barren ugliness that stretches as far as the eye can see. It is unimaginable really.

I try to explain it to my sister over the phone: Concrete and corrugated-iron blocks of buildings that open right onto the street which in turn smells of raw sewage, diseased and maimed dogs everywhere, sad looking trees that pop up like weeds in odd spaces, a greasy layer of dirt that covers everything, the sickening subtropical heat, the filthy air, the smoke and noise. Beetle nut chewing men with red mouths and rotten teeth speaking Taiwanese and spitting on the burning tarmac. Noisy kids. People everywhere, even in so called rural towns, walking right in the streets behind belching busses because there are simply no sidewalks.

When I get back to my part of Taipei, it does not seem that bad. At least there is some visible attempt to make a place that is fit for human habitation, like the many parks and the cycle path that runs along the river. There are no skanky beetle nut shanties along the streets and people actually wear shoes on their feet.

I am happy in my little bubble on a mountain overlooking the city and if it was not out of love for my wife and in-laws I would never venture out into the wasteland that is the rest of Taiwan. If there is any beauty to be found on this ravaged island it is that part which is exempt from any significant Taiwanese population.

You foreigners just don’t understand Chinese culture. :wink:

(Ok, credit to Comrade Stalin for that line.)

[quote=“Sirakwai”]Beetle nut chewing men with red mouths and rotten teeth speaking Taiwanese and spitting on the burning tarmac.

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If there is any beauty to be found on this ravaged island it is that part which is exempt from any significant Taiwanese population.[/quote]

These two sentences are simply bigotry on your part.

Yes, many parts of Taiwan (especially down in the industrial south) are pretty grim. Things are a mess because of bad laws , weak institutions, class prejudice, unfair budgets, and rampant over-development. Now many Taiwanese, especially local leaders, bear some responsibility for this state of affairs although most of the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the KMT and its horrible government for most of the last 50 years.

Perhaps your wife and her family have not travelled overseas extensively. Perhaps they know all this and don’t need to hear you complaining about it all the time. Perhaps they care more about people and relationships and don’t see the things you see.

The countryside around Meinong is reasonably pretty, and the rift valley in the east isn’t bad either. A lot of what you ar describing is thankfully concentrated in taiwan’s truly awful towns. Rent a scooter or bring a bicycle and ride away from them. Maybe you’ll find something nicer.

Damn, MT, just beat me to it!!!

Just think of how you’ll feel after the charm wears off.

:laughing: :laughing:

You think too much, big nose! :wink:

how did that get in there? surely you did not mean to include this as a symptom of ugliness on the level of bing long spit, smoke and grime? I’m trying to be charitable here.

I don’t think it’s bigotry on the OP’s part. Maybe conceit. Actually when I lived in Kaoshiung and took weekend road trips on my bike, I found it a HELL of lot better in the country side than in the city. I believe the real beauty of Taiwan is outside the city. Contempary Taiwan wasn’t built with astheics(sp) in mind. Seems like the sudden ablity to build at a fast rate took precedence over apperiences(sp)

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Sorry, I meant to write Taiwanese does NOT contribute to the degradation of the country.

[quote]If language reflects culture I could not think of a language that would sound more fitting for the kind of people who live in derelict towns and cities all the way down the island.

There is no beauty in the Taiwanese language whatsoever. It all sounds like swearing to me.[/quote]

I don’t agree with that though. Taiwanese sounds quite colourful and fast - paced to me. (Except when they talk on the phone :-

Ahhh?..Hey…Aaaa…Aaaaa…Mmmmm…Hey…Hao.

I love the sound of Taiwanese!

Just the way they say big nose or other stuff as well.

Sure, there are pretty parts, but you have to go on a trip to find them.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with being honest! I started a blog called Taiwan filth , but never got around to posting pics. I wanted to post nice pics about Taipei and Taiwan, but was often dissapointed…I could’nt find any. I even traveled far to White Sand Beach, and it’s the ugliest beach I have ever seen. I enjoyed it nonetheless, but yes, it’s still ugly.

Trying to see how ugly the place can get is a lot more fun than taking pics of the nice stuff. Enough people do that…I concentrate on the ugly.

Back home in SA, people with nothing will try their best to make their homes look good, inside and out. NOT have fences made of burnt out matresses. I think it’s a matter of pride. People here (OH NO I’m going to get flushed for generalising) usually don’t care too much about what they have, they keep things only until the latest model is released. I’m nuts for having the same cellphone for 4 years!

Maybe that is why some don’t take a lot of care in keeping their places pretty, or at least neat. They don’t get attached to what they have. Functionality is all that matters.

perhaps beauty is in the ear of the beholder, or rather in the mouth of the speaker. people of the sort you describe will sound that way no matter what language they speak, I can think of numerous examples from other “brute monosyllabic” languages here on Taiwan as well as from at back at home.

When you actually speak the language a bit, the monosylabbic sounds make sense. Replying in one syllable is actually accepted here, and I like it that way. How about monosylabbic sounds in English? Yes? No? Fine? (Pronounced as a monosyballic sound).

Just curious, have you ever actually anywhere else except this small down down south? I find Taiwan extreamly beautiful except for a small strip down the West Coast and Kaohsiung City. What about the stunning East Coast or the beautful mountains that make up most of the island? Or even the off shore islands of Peng-Hu?

I hope you’re not basing your “all Taiwan is ugly” views on one or two cities.

I don’t know. To me, the cities of Taiwan and most of the towns aren’t exactly a representation of beauty. Concrete boxes, uneven, broken pavements. Half-hearted parks, traffic, industrial areas positioned in seemingly random places. Wires everywhere, posters everywhere. Scooters everywhere. Abandoned scooters everywhere.

But when I think about it, somehow I’d rather be in the thick of chaos then in the sterile kept suburbia offered by most western nations.
Square lawns, the regulated sheds and greenhouses. By-laws, graffitied roadsigns. The one-upmanship of garden keeping and the race to bring out the lawnmower on a Saturday afternoon.
The hire-purchase SUV which was intended to out do the Jones’ family wagon - not because you are a off-roader fanatic, have 6 children, 4 dogs and a fat wife, but because in reality westerners seem to have the “loss of face” phobia we so like to accuse the Taiwanese of having.

So when I walk on the street my feet rebound, shooting an echo through the shadows and cracks of a damp Taipei alleyway. Through the exit I see the flashing of a yellow light, seemingly unrelentless as it measures the ticking of time, space and people that pass by underneath it.
Through the empty market, past the on-street refrigerators that no-one has stolen, whiring through the night they hold the next days stock. I can look at the empty stalls and feel the life of the previous days trading and the anticipation of the next - is it the bustling of people I imagine or can I really see ghosts of traders from a previous generation?
The smell of a temple lingers as incense sticks silently burn throughout the night, caught on the breeze which sifts through the tight alleys and tiny streets.
Dog’s quietly stand guard outside houses, giving themselves away by the rattle of a chain. Cats cower under cars and scowl at you as you pass.
There is no-one around and yet people are everywhere, putting children to bed, watchching TV calling friends and eating. In one of the most crowded places on earth, my journey remains strangely quiet.

So I think one has to look past the atrocious aesthetics of the architechture, poor town planning, slate grey walls and damn right ugliness the place has to offer. The beauty of a Taiwanese city is not about looks, but at the life which goes on around you, above you, underneath you.
Everything is alive. Every inanimate object is filled with electricity and anticipation and is surrounded by a charged atmosphere.
Taiwan is just different. Sometimes I really hate it here. Sometimes I really hate the people, but I always know how to look at it from a different angle, understand it, look past it or even look through it.

I think it’s just a matter of acceptance and awareness and the ability to see good through bad.

[quote=“Dangermouse”]I don’t know. To me, the cities of Taiwan and most of the towns aren’t exactly a representation of beauty. Concrete boxes, uneven, broken pavements. Half-hearted parks, traffic, industrial areas positioned in seemingly random places. Wires everywhere, posters everywhere. Scooters everywhere. Abandoned scooters everywhere.

But when I think about it, somehow I’d rather be in the thick of chaos then in the sterile kept suburbia offered by most western nations.
Square lawns, the regulated sheds and greenhouses. By-laws, graffitied roadsigns. The one-upmanship of garden keeping and the race to bring out the lawnmower on a Saturday afternoon.
The hire-purchase SUV which was intended to out do the Jones’ family wagon - not because you are a off-roader fanatic, have 6 children, 4 dogs and a fat wife, but because in reality westerners seem to have the “loss of face” phobia we so like to accuse the Taiwanese of having.

So when I walk on the street my feet rebound, shooting an echo through the shadows and cracks of a damp Taipei alleyway. Through the exit I see the flashing of a yellow light, seemingly unrelentless as it measures the ticking of time, space and people that pass by underneath it.
Through the empty market, past the on-street refrigerators that no-one has stolen, whiring through the night they hold the next days stock. I can look at the empty stalls and feel the life of the previous days trading and the anticipation of the next - is it the bustling of people I imagine or can I really see ghosts of traders from a previous generation?
The smell of a temple lingers as incense sticks silently burn throughout the night, caught on the breeze which sifts through the tight alleys and tiny streets.
Dog’s quietly stand guard outside houses, giving themselves away by the rattle of a chain. Cats cower under cars and scowl at you as you pass.
There is no-one around and yet people are everywhere, putting children to bed, watchching TV calling friends and eating. In one of the most crowded places on earth, my journey remains strangely quiet.

So I think one has to look past the atrocious aesthetics of the architechture, poor town planning, slate grey walls and damn right ugliness the place has to offer. The beauty of a Taiwanese city is not about looks, but at the life which goes on around you, above you, underneath you.
Everything is alive. Every inanimate object is filled with electricity and anticipation and is surrounded by a charged atmosphere.
Taiwan is just different. Sometimes I really hate it here. Sometimes I really hate the people, but I always know how to look at it from a different angle, understand it, look past it or even look through it.

I think it’s just a matter of acceptance and awareness and the ability to see good through bad.[/quote]
“Dogs” doesn’t take an apostrophe. Bloody imbecile.

Other than that, you did some fine nail-hitting there, DM.

Anyone who thinks Taiwan is ugly should join us on our hikes in the Taipei area. Your mind will be changed. Just check the Taipei Hiking Club sticky thread under the Events forum for upcoming hikes.