What are the Government Quarantine Facilities like?

There are hotels (legal) that have rooms without windows.

You’re much safer in a windowless room that has a smoke and CO2 detector than you are in a windowed room that doesn’t have a smoke and CO2 detector.

(2) “Residents” of the R.O.C.
An individual who stays in the R.O.C. for 183 days or longer within a taxable year is regarded as a resident, and the individual income tax shall be declared and assessed by a progressive rate (see Article 15) on the amount of his/her net consolidated income (taxable income) which shall be the annual gross consolidated income (including the various incomes derived within the R.O.C. and the remunerations derived outside the R.O.C. for services rendered in the R.O.C.) minus the exemptions, deductions, and basic living expense difference.
GC holders being residents. but yeah non resident foreigners more like 90 days. thanks for the info

maybe there’s a local rate, you can only know if you’re a local lol

Note that “tax residency” is different than “residency” as most people think of it.

If you are a GC holder, you have the right to reside in Taiwan, but that doesn’t make you a tax resident. Tax residency is determined based on the number of days you are actually in country.

Let’s say you get your GC on January 1, but you don’t physically arrive in Taiwan until September 1. At the end of the year, you would not be considered a tax resident for the year because you would have been present in Taiwan for less than 183 days.

Did they lie to you and tell you it’s a quarantine hotel when it’s not?

B. For an individual who stays in the R.O.C. over 90 days but less than 183 days within a taxable year, individual income tax shall be declared and computed according to the withholding rate (see Article 16) on his/her income derived from sources in the R.O.C., including the remunerations derived from abroad for his/her services rendered in the R.O.C.

Source: https://www.etax.nat.gov.tw/etwmain/front/ETW118W/CON/580/7862277933674472859?tagCode=

Bumping this thread again because it seems to be newly relevant, with mandated stays in the government quarantine facilities (I guess?) if you’re coming from “key high-risk countries”.

So if I’ve got it right, anyone who has been in any of the current high-risk countries in the past 14 days is stuck in these places, rather than a presumably-better quarantine hotel, or home quarantine.

Note: maybe I’ve got this wrong and “government quarantine facilities” are not the same as “group quarantine facilities.”

Quote from CDC announcement linked below, emphasis added:

A. Travelers arriving in Taiwan from “key high-risk countries”(including those who have visited those countries in the past 14 days and those who have transited in those countries): after they enter Taiwan via airport or port, such travelers will be required to quarantine in group quarantine facilities for 14 days and undergo PCR tests for COVID-19 upon checking in at group quarantine facilities and at the end of their quarantine period; such travelers are not required to pay group quarantine facility accommodation and testing fees. Currently, “key high-risk countries” include Brazil, India, the UK, Peru, Israel, Indonesia, and Bangladesh.

B. Travelers arriving Taiwan from countries other than the seven countries will be required to stay in a quarantine hotel or a group quarantine facility at their own expense for 14 days after arrival; they shall also undergo a PCR test before the end of their quarantine period.

Bump prompted by this post, but discussion is currently spread over a bunch of threads:

Say that you won’t let or want anyone out of the country without saying you won’t let or want anyone out of the country: no more home quarantine.

I bet almost everyone who wanted to go abroad will think twice, 3, 4 times before heading abroad now than going and risk not having an available and decent hotel room to quarantine in.

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Yeah, I think you’re right. (And it definitely applies to my ever-shifting summer plans!) Canada instituted an expensive forced-hotel stay policy a couple of months ago, and are now loosening it: sure, there were health reasons for it, but I always suspected the main goal was simply to discourage people from coming and going. (Especially spring breakers who wanted to head for Mexico or Florida.)

There’s some logic to it, but damn it’s frustrating to see North America and Europe open up as Taiwan shuts down.

As someone asked in another thread - sorry, forget who - I wonder what’ll happen when Delta (or Gamma, or whatever’s next) becomes the main variant everywhere.

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Belgium opened borders to Taiwan without even a test requirement anymore. You can just hop in a plane and go. France is removing all restrictions of movements for travelers from Taiwan, Germany opened borders to Taiwan. As I was getting happy to go abroad and escape this mess they announced this no home quarantine thing. The risks are great now. Think about coming back and no hotel room available or some windowless hotel in Pintung or something as your only choice. Anyways, there goes summer plans. Again.

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Well as someone who went abroad primarily to get vaxxed, I’m actually even more relieved that I left when I did. The decision to end home quarantine, if anything, is just more likely to delay my return to TW, even though I do think there’s a risk that maybe in the near future TW could make it even more difficult to come back.

Understand that not every expat in TW has the luxury of staying away but here are my thoughts:

  1. Given breakthrough cases being seen in places like Israel, I’m betting there’s a 50-50 chance we’ll see boosters being recommended/required in the coming months. TW is having enough problems getting people their initial 2 doses. If you add the need for a booster to the mix, it could be a long road for TW on the vaccine front. Going back to TW just to leave in a few months for a booster would suck.

  2. If Delta gets into TW, I’m thinking it could be really problematic given TW’s use of AZ. AZ has good efficacy against Delta in terms of hospitalization and death endpoints after 2 doses but since you have to wait 8-12 weeks to get the second dose, we’re talking 2-3 months where even partially vaxxed people are at higher risk of getting and spreading the virus. That’s compared to 3-4 weeks for a full BnT or Moderna series. I also wonder if the hesitancy against AZ could increase if/as people become aware of this fact.

  3. TPTB in TW seem prone to making questionable decisions that aren’t exactly science-based. They seemed spooked by Delta which could make things interesting (not in a good way). I mean, putting Israel on a list of 7 high-risk Delta countries seems kind of dumb given that the number of cases in Israel is still in the low 100s. Delta has been detected in 85 countries (it’s probably in way more that aren’t aggressively sequencing) and we know it’s on pace to become the dominant strain in countries like the US in the coming weeks. So the high risk countries list is in and of itself already pretty pointless.

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People are afraid of delta simply because of the mass number of deaths in India. But I really don’t know if delta is actually deadlier than the other strains or it’s simply because India has really poor pandemic response and unsanitary conditions…

The key is to avoid the crowds. I left Taiwan in late March to get the Pfizer vaccine and am returning in mid July to a four star quarantine hotel in downtown Taipei. Getting out of quarantine August 1st so I’m counting on you knuckleheads to get things back to normal by then.

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I think that governments and people are afraid of Delta because there is some evidence that it is more transmissible than the previous strains. There is quite a lot of information out there about this but here’s one article:

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Maybe it’s a bit more virulent, but I suspect the deaths are primarily a function of how efficiently it spreads. A virus can’t kill a person it doesn’t infect.

But that’s still bad news for TW. If you look at TW’s neighbors, the CFR in TW is pretty high.

Singapore - 62,493 cases, 35 deaths (0.05% CFR)
HK - 11,905 cases, 210 deaths (1.7% CFR)
Vietnam - 14,323 cases, 14 deaths (0.09% CFR)
Japan - 791,000 cases, 14,551 deaths (1.8% CFR)
Malaysia - 717,000 cases, 4,721 deaths (0.6% CFR)
Thailand - 233,000 cases, 1,775 deaths (0.7% CFR)

Taiwan - 14,465 cases, 610 deaths (4.2% CRF)

Now you could say that something must be wrong with the numbers. Maybe other countries are undercounting deaths. Maybe TW is missing a lot of cases.

But these are the official numbers.

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I attribute Taiwan’s high CRF to it being a densely populated, super-aged country.

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That tone is not likely to help get what you want. :slightly_smiling_face:

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Does anyone know how the quarantine in government facilities work? I am flying out next week to the UK and coming back mid August. Once I am back can they take me away for the quarantine to the very south although I live in north? I do hope these rules will change by then. Last year I did my quarantine in my flat and would like to do it again. Thanks.

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Would assume they can put you anywhere based on availability.

I came from the UK in February. After we got through customs we were greeted by a quarantine team who took us to a cordoned off area (just for arrivals from high-risk countries) where we could buy phone cards.

Then we were taken to fill out a type of consent form, agreeing to the rules of staying in a government quarantine facility (I’m guessing if you refuse they put you on the next plane back). When I was filling it out I asked them where our quarantine facility would be and they said Hsinchu. Then, without me saying anything else, they added “It’s not like a prison” and laughed nervously. Which didn’t exactly fill me with hope. So no, I don’t think you get a choice. They probably allot certain flight arrivals to a particular facility on a given day, depending on availability. I have heard somewhere that if you have a real issue or grievance with wherever they put you, you can ask for a change one time. Don’t know if its true though.

Anyway, the room I got was enormous, I think it might have been some kind of military academy building that normally had 4-5 people per dorm. Overall, I was pretty impressed with what I got there. The bed was a bit stiff, the food wasn’t great (standard bento box fare), and I was woken up before seven every day by a loud tannoy announcement telling us all to report our temperature, but it was all free and you were allowed to order food in from Carrefour or PC home. You could probably order a more comfortable mattress if you wanted. Before arriving I was pretty nervous about it but it actually worked out much better for me than paying a fortune to stay in a quarantine hotel. You do have to pay for your trip back to wherever you live in Taiwan though.

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I don’t understand why couples can’t stay in the same room at a quarantine hotel…