What if Kerry wins?

from the same article:

"The figures far exceed all previous estimates. Their publication just five days before the US presidential election are bound to cause controversy by reinforcing the impression that events are out of control.

The latest estimates by a group of British academics called Iraq Bodycount, which compiles figures from witness accounts and media reports, put the number of civilian deaths at between 14,160 and 16,289."

Any civilian death is too many.
However, the facts are this this is an enemy that does NOT value civilians-women and children - in their march towards jihad.
The terrs locate weapons, troops and command centers in hijacked civilian homes, in civilian locations and public areas knowing full well that the Coalition Forces face world media criticism for attacks, and the ensuing negative publicity, on these targets.
An old tactic used to garner negative press against the Coalition Forces fighting the terrs.

This study shows no figures on the number of collateral civilian deaths resulting from terrorist actions or terrorist attacks on civilians.
No breakdown on civilian/non-combatant death #'s from IED’s.
No civilian/non-combatant death #'s from attacks on Iraqui Police and military forces.
No counting of civilian/non-combatant casualty figures from foreign terrorist murders of civilians.

The abscence of this breakdown severly lessens any credibility of this article. Scrutiny shows that the timing is as suspect as the ‘science’ presented.
Nice try…no cigar. :unamused:

My point has never been that Iraq was a threat per se but that cleaning it up will help clean up the Middle East. I do happen to believe that as foolish as it may sound to you. We are reaping the benefits from a quieted Algerian Civil War to a reformed Libya to a Syria pulling its troops out of Lebanon to a Sudan willing to negotiate and talk to end its two civil wars and a Saudi Arabia that has cut down on financing to terrorists to an Iraq that suffers from terrorism but has no wmds and is free of Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat to its neighbors to an Iran that is being closely watched to a Pakistan that recently announced it would negotiate with India over Kashmir and would not support militants to an Afghanistan that is free of the Taliban, where 3.5 million refugees have returned and which just had its first ever election. Oh what a fucking mess. What has Bush done solving all these problems. How dare he use force and do something rather than letting the same problems exist for another 35 years.

We will win. Syria and Iran will eventually be freed. We don’t have to invade Iran. We should, however, fully support the revolution that will happen very very soon in that nation. Hurray for freedom! Welcome back to civilization Iran!

[color=blue]Cleaning up Falloojeh . . . [/color]

It was terrible in Falloojeh and getting worse by day. They were constantly being bombarded with missiles and bombs. The city was in ruins. Families were gathering what they could and leaving. Houses were being demolished by tanks and planes. . .

Yes, and the Palestinians “fleeing” Israel were given such treatment too for about three days and then unceremoniously booted out. Arab hospitality burns brightly but oh so fleetingly. I would not put too much stock in these threats of revenge nor in this hero status. Even under Saddam, Fallujah was a particular thorn. Nothing new. The fact remains however, that many of the people getting blown up in Baghdad directly attribute the support of Fallujah and the sanctuary given to its terrorist for the loss of their loved ones. How do the “innocent” citizens of Fallujah answer these charges or is this a one-way, criticize Allawi street?