What is Communism?

What is Communism?

Without a doubt, you’ve probably heard about communism. And, also without a doubt, you’ve probably heard all sorts of horror stories about it — from your teachers, from the media, from politicians, even from your church pastor or preacher.

They tried to scare you. They want to keep you from finding out for yourself. If you asked one authority figure for a second opinion, they usually told you to ask another authority figure. And if that didn’t satisfy you, then they told you to read the history books they wrote for you.

Do you see a pattern here? The one person they will never tell you to talk to, however, is a communist. Why? Because a communist might go “off script” and tell you something they don’t want you to hear.

So, what is communism? Well, there is communism, the theory, and communism, the society. Let’s first deal with communism, the society.

To begin with, communism is a society without bosses or servants, without superiors or subordinates, without masters or slaves — in short, communism is a society without classes and the stress, conflict and antagonisms that go with the existence of classes. Contrary to the history they teach you, classes are a relatively new thing in the human experience, having been around for only about 25,000 of the last 5 million years of human existence.

“But,” someone might say, “there are a lot more people alive today than there were back then.” That’s true. What’s also true is that we are smarter, more conscious of our world and more technologically advanced than our ancestors. We really don’t need someone standing over us, telling us what to do and when to do it. If necessary, we can work that out together, in common.

Because it is a society without classes, communism is also a society where all aspects of society are developed and administered in common. That means not only the political system, but the economy, culture and social relations too. Can you imagine, having an equal voice, along with your co-workers, in deciding how conditions at your job would be determined? Or, having a say, along with your neighbors, in shaping how the city’s budget will be spent?

Democracy is a key element in the development of communism — but not the stale, formal “democracy” we are taught about in school; we are talking about democracy as a practice, a real-world tool that works for those who work.

As well, communism is a society without a state. Now, when we talk about a “state,” we are not talking about councils and assemblies that debate issues and adopt policy. When we say “state,” we mean the armed organizations that enforce “order” (the rulers’ “order,” that is), like the police and military.

“No police?!” Yes, no police. What are the police really for? Well, when you live in a society where goods and services are restricted to a few, you end up with the many in need. When you have so many in need, you need to maintain order. However, if you live in a society where the needs of everyone in society are met, what need is there for police? If everyone’s basic needs — good food, decent housing, worthwhile education, etc. — are met, what basis is there for most of the crime in society?

Sure, there may be times here and there that may require some kind of investigation or enforcement unit, but those times would be relatively few and far between, and could easily be handled as they come up.

It is also the case that communism is a society without money. “Without money?!” Yes, without money. Why does money exist? Basically, it was invented so that one group of owners wouldn’t get screwed by another set of owners. But, if you have a society where the factories and workplaces are owned in common, and we can sit down and plan out three months, six months or even a year in advance what we have to produce to provide all that we need, what point is there to having money?

Also, if we’re all working together to produce what we need and administer our own affairs, we can cut out a lot of things we don’t need. For example, we don’t need all those layers of managers and officials that we pay (through our labor and the profits it creates) to tell us to work harder. Similarly, we don’t need all of those professional politicians and bureaucrats in the government who do everything they can to convince us that our future should be in the hands of “professionals” who have no clue what we deal with on a daily basis. For that matter, we don’t need all those worthless professions that exist only because we live in a profit-driven society, like advertising, marketing, business management, etc. The resources poured into those jobs can be put to better use.

And we can do all of this while working less and enjoying life more. Because a communist society produces for our needs and well-being, and not for creating more profits for the bosses, we can reduce the amount of working time each of us has to do. For that matter, depending on how well we can use technology to our advantage, we have the ability to calculate how much working time each of us will have to do in our lives in order to provide for all our needs throughout our lives.

Think of it! Retiring at age 40 and not having to worry about where your next meal is coming from, because you’ve already put in your share for society! Think of what you can do with all that time! If you wanted, you could go back to school and become a doctor, or learn how to paint or sculpt, or see the world. For that matter, you could spend your summers in moderate weather and your winters in warm areas. Why should the birds be the only ones with the sense to migrate when the weather changes?

Finally, we should point out that communism is a world system and society. We live in a world that is more and more unified by economics, culture and our own common interests. Communism looks to bring all of those who work for their living together in a common struggle to liberate ourselves from this rotten system. But, unlike those who call themselves “boss” and want to control the world, communism looks to join the people of the world together as brothers and sisters to build a better future for ourselves and our children.

So, does this sound like something you’d like to see? Well, that brings us to communism, the theory … and the movement. Communism doesn’t come about without the help of all of you. Because we have to sweep away a lot of garbage from this sick society, we need the help of millions to make it happen. “I get all of that,” you might say, “but no one else will go for it.” Really? Ask your friends, your neighbors and your co-workers what they think about what we say above. Chances are they would like to see this kind of new society, too.

Represent yourself! Join the fight for a communist future!

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But the burning question is - can I get some Kim Jung-Il sunglasses if I join?

Sounds cool! Anyone ever managed it?

Too much red for me.
But those little yellow stars made nice aiming points.

Does Comrade Stalin have a comment?

Funny?

Kinda… :laughing: :sunglasses:

The only people I’ve ever met who were enthusiastic about communism were people living in capitalist democracies who’d never actually tried living it.

Everytime the people who are actually living in a communist state have been given the authentic opportunity to choose between it and democratic capitalism, they’ve chosen democratic capitalism faster than you can say “the Berlin Wall.”

So I’d say communism in practice, at the very least, has a major credibility problem.

It, no doubt, looks great on paper and democratic capitalism undeniably has significant structural flaws but a religion with paper gods, no mechanism for countervailing the corrupting influence of power and which has been loathed by every people it’s ever been tried on doesn’t seem to be the true path to a better future.

To think that George Orwell criticized religion for promising the equivalent of “sugar-candy mountain”… (I vote for Snowball and the thirty-hour workweek, or however it goes.)

Okay, I’ll bite. What steps must society take in order to bring about this utopia? And how would these differ from previous attempts, which don’t seem to have worked out so well?

[quote=“Screaming Jesus”]To think that George Orwell criticized religion for promising the equivalent of “sugar-candy mountain”… (I vote for Snowball and the thirty-hour workweek, or however it goes.)

Okay, I’ll bite. What steps must society take in order to bring about this utopia? And how would these differ from previous attempts, which don’t seem to have worked out so well?[/quote]

:laughing: You don’t need to ask King Wu - just go to the website from which he plagiarised his visionary speech: Che Lives! I’m sure all his answers await you there.

Sounds like Communism for dummies to me, or just maybe a leaflet aimed at primary school children. You sure thats from Che lives and not Che lives for busy little people?

Keep at it king wu. I’m sure you’ll get up to Das Kapital sometime soon.

HG

WHOA THERE!!

Is the commies offering this?? :notworthy:

So King Wu, to get to this state of enlightenment, must I also insert my head into my rectum?

C’mon JD, we’ll all be perfectly happy to work hard for 30 hours (even though there’s no marginal benefit over not working) then everything will get done and we all go home early!

Like the saying goes

“I have lost God and found Marx”

[quote=“king wu”]What is Communism?

Without a doubt, you’ve probably heard about communism. And, also without a doubt, you’ve probably heard all sorts of horror stories about it — from your teachers, from the media, from politicians, even from your church pastor or preacher.[/quote]

Well, actually I heard most about it from the East Germans after our unification. First hand accounts of people having spent their lives in the Eastern Bloc. Most interesting are the older people to listen to.

Can’t say anything they told resemble your picture … but being a good sport I am willing to read your version anyhow:

[quote=“king wu”]…

So, what is communism? Well, there is communism, the theory, and communism, the society. Let’s first deal with communism, the society.

… Can you imagine, having an equal voice, along with your co-workers, in deciding how conditions at your job would be determined? Or, having a say, along with your neighbors, in shaping how the city’s budget will be spent? …

… Democracy is a key element in the development of communism — but not the stale, formal “democracy” we are taught about in school; we are talking about democracy as a practice, a real-world tool that works for those who work. …

… When we say “state,” we mean the armed organizations that enforce “order” (the rulers’ “order,” that is), like the police and military. …

… When everyone’s basic needs — good food, decent housing, worthwhile education, etc. — are met, what basis is there for most of the crime in society?

… It is also the case that communism is a society without money. When you have a society where the factories and workplaces are owned in common, and we can sit down and plan out three months, six months or even a year in advance what we have to produce to provide all that we need, what point is there to having money?

… We’d not need all those worthless professions that exist only because we live in a profit-driven society, like advertising, marketing, business management, etc. The resources poured into those jobs can be put to better use. …

… And we can do all of this while working less and enjoying life more. Because a communist society produces for our needs and well-being, and not for creating more profits for the bosses, we can reduce the amount of working time each of us has to do. …

… For that matter, depending on how well we can use technology to our advantage, we have the ability to calculate how much working time each of us will have to do in our lives in order to provide for all our needs throughout our lives. …

… Think of it! Retiring at age 40 and not having to worry about where your next meal is coming from, because you’ve already put in your share for society! Think of what you can do with all that time! If you wanted, you could go back to school and become a doctor, or learn how to paint or sculpt, or see the world.

… For that matter, you could spend your summers in moderate weather and your winters in warm areas. Why should the birds be the only ones with the sense to migrate when the weather changes? … [/quote]

Well, given all these great and fantastic things of communism is there any particular reason why you won’t immigrate and settle down in North Korea? Given that it’s the communist paradise left around these day what keeps you away from there?

No Forumosa.com.

[quote=“games”][quote=“king wu”]What is Communism?

Without a doubt, you’ve probably heard about communism. And, also without a doubt, you’ve probably heard all sorts of horror stories about it — from your teachers, from the media, from politicians, even from your church pastor or preacher.[/quote]

Well, actually I heard most about it from the East Germans after our unification. First hand accounts of people having spent their lives in the Eastern Bloc. Most interesting are the older people to listen to.
[/quote]
Same here. East Germans after the wall came down. Them and my Polish friends, of which I have a fair number.

Well I found Lenin but he’s a little stiff.

Comrade Wu, all kidding aside, I get the clear impression that you regard questions – any sort of intellectual inquiry – as capitalist tools whose sole purpose is to perpetuate the exploitation of the masses.

And your main thesis that the indictment against communism in the West is based on ignorance and lies can be countered with the antithesis that many in the West actually understand the key tenets of dialectical materialism and even admire some of them.

The true indictment against communism – aside from its sorry record – is that the only way one can apparently be a good communist is to shut down about 80% of one’s intellectual capacity. Whole swaths of memory, almost all critical thinking, and more common sense logic than is good for anyone and their society need be permanently waivered in the name of the common good.

That’s why every communist state which has ever existed has declared war on intellectual freedom as almost one of its first acts. Communism, despite its claim to be the first truly scientific form of statism, is actually profoundly anti-intellectual in practice.

Consequently, because of its inherent anti-intellectualism, communism contains the seeds of its own destruction. No people can or will accede for more than a few generations to intellectual servitude no matter how good the cause. Eventually they’ll begin to demand the right to ask questions and get answers that make sense and anyone and anything which attempts to stand in their way will end up in the dustbin of history.

I think Comrade Wu is a parody par excellence!

Much better than that 'Borat" guy.

The one question communism has no answer for: Why should I work hard for 30 (40, 20, whatever) hours a week when I get paid the same for working hard for 0 hours?