No. Not happening sometimes you need to refuse certain things and stand up for yourself.
Make sure it doesn’t happen full stop. Completely unacceptable.
Doing it once is how it becomes part of your responsibilities.
They will think @SunWuKong did it once and it wasn’t a problem… so he can do it again if need be.
That’s quite right. But I think SunWuKong meant well and was still learning the ropes.
I remember subbing at a Montessori school for a day, young kids kindergarten aged. During the class the TA asked me to help take care of changing a diaper. I obviously refused. Even if it was the normal teacher’s job, I don’t know in what world she thought I was going to do that as a sub. Furthermore, I can’t imagine a parent would ever want a complete fucking stranger changing their child’s diaper. Probably didn’t even know there was a substitute that day.
I think something was misread. I did not clean any child’s bottom. I am explaining to @comfy123 that I might have done so in a situation where no one else was available to do it and the alternative was worse. This is a hypothetical situation. I’m just acknowledging that sometimes shit happens and mature people deal with it as best they can.
What could be worse? The kid walking around with a turd that eventually comes out of his pants?
I still think that’s a better outcome than you wiping the kids backside.
How old was the child? Shouldn’t kids be potty trained by the time they’re in a montessori school?
A diaper change wasn’t the situation I described. That could wait awhile.
Some aren’t. Some learn later than others. My daughter was a little late and I think she was not trained by Montessori. She started going by herself at nearly 5 years old.
A couple of kids at her school were the same.
I was referring to shit in the kids underpants
I’ve been known to have the occasional accident and I’m 54.
Most montessori Children’s House (3-6 year olds) programs try to have kids in regular old underwear from the moment they set foot in the classroom, experiencing the natural consequence of not going to the toilet getting those kids knowing that they need to go to the toilet cuz there’s no diaper to catch what comes from there. But few schools want to deal with the poop and pee (which is a biohazard), and most parents who send their kids to Montessori in Taiwan do everything they possibly can at home to undue any progress their child makes towards independence in the school.
I’m told that pee is sterile unless the person has other problems.
Wow, this has gone way off topic.
All I can say is. Wood slat floors. Try to clean them with runny shit splats. You have to take up everything and hand wash. Ask me how I know. It’s easier to be compassionate than have to renovate your shit because someone shit and no one gave a shit. Tile grout is similar but can be washed. Plastic laminate type floors are easy to roll up and wipe the peanut chunks and corn kernels up and away. That’s fun!
I’m not being kind or decent. I’m just being pragmatic…just so happens a learning opportunity happens at the same time as being efficient. Which is exactly what we should capitalize on!
I know the issue. However, sometimes things are not your problem and it’s better to simply not involve yourself in them.
Let’s agree to disagree. I don’t think it’s being pragmatic. It is simply not your job to do.
@Explant I’ll give you an example. My brother works at a hospital in Australia.
During Covid doctors and nurses were assigned for Covid negative or Covid positive patients depending on the luck.
One day a co worker of his who was a nurse was asked to help out with an emergency in a Covid positive patients room… she was fired immediately following. What should she have done? Stick to her job.
Never trust a fart.
Words of wisdom for those over 50.
And combine that with Ozempic, you’ve got beaucoup shartimus. 
Although I generally agree with your sentiment, that you should only stick to the responsibilities of your job description, I think your example with the nurse isn’t really a very good one because it ignores context. It seems like she wasn’t fired for doing things outside her responsibilities, but for ignoring protocols about cross contamination of an infectious disease.
I totally get your point. I do disagree with how to deal with what I consider easy and community based issue. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not shitting on your way of doing it. But I do hope, be it wiping ass or picking up some garbage on the stree when we see it, we can all make an point about trying to do more.
Your covid example doesn’t fit because it was a very strict procedure, in an ultra important and life threatening industry (hospitals). Not a cram school helping a kid learn how to wipe their own butt. Infectious diseases can’t be compared to little kids. Not matter how much one might find them annoying as all fuck 
in terms of infectious disease, I am of the opinion they weren’t strict enough. Clearly. Wen we construct quarantine facilities for animals and plants import, we seemed to have taken more pragmatic precautions than did Taiwan during covid lol. But the point is about that. The point is more about: If one sees a problem, and one is the only person there, fix the problem. I view this as part of being professional. When, say, academics don’t want to clean their own blackboard after a lecture in order to prepare for another one immediately after, it’s cringey as all fck!
In a way, this kind of comes back to he Union argument. I feel places like Canada are overdoing it and slitting their throats as far as Ling term job and economical sustainability. Places like taiwan could use more.
Either way, see a bottle on the sidewalk, just pick it up 
a kid leaking its pants all over the floor. A simple help to the toilet and a wipe solves ripping up the floor to clean. A good little compassionate lesson also let’s that kid evolve as a human, which is priceless. everyone helps everyone.
Perhaps a better example. If I drive a delivery truck. It’s not my job to maintain the truck I drive everyday for 30 years. But if I see a problem with the engine, I should indeed tip up the water, oil or whatever. Even though it’s not my duty, and will delay things. Ultimately my time is the same, he company still pays. I’m just helping make the situation run smoother.
We agree that no ine contractually obligated to do so. But why not.
Actually I do agree with you both.
What I was trying to get at was that especially as a male foreign teacher in a kindergarten (where you shouldn’t be anyway) wiping a butt is something a bit overboard and you can be accused of touching or other things if there is a misunderstanding.
Usually we are told not to wipe the blackboard and leave it up after class so students can take notes. Also I was told that the cleaner after school will clean it (although sometimes it ends up being the morning class lol)
I do see you point on the “foreign male kindergarten” stereotypes. I truly do. I don’t even disagree necessarily. At least in regards to those stereotypes wanting to play it safe. I get that!
However. With my posts above, I was talking about any teacher. I don’t make a distinction on gender, race or age. Just the job that needs getting done. I am not daft, in that I don’t not see the issues that arise with perverted minds. But we really ought not to let those minorities pervert our normal people think.
Me as an 18 year old white male teaching and cleaning up runny shit. Is that somehow more discouraged, even perverted, than a 40 year old taiwanese woman doing the same? I argue no. But I am well aware of the fear. In my teaching days, even at the school I friggen owned, everytime there was a foreign teacher in trouble for touching, parents would come out of the wood work worrying about me being in the classroom alone with them. To the point we just hired an extra person temporarily as a fucking witness. I understand the fear, especially now as a parent. Parent of a daughter no less. But I still.insist the perverted thought here is on society, not me, the white male foreign teacher. 2 sides to every coin, I know.
My argument is simple: if you think it is a problem, we need to SERIOUSLY course correct our entire society. Because most people aren’t thinking such disgusting thoughts
Not foreiners. Not whte people. There is indeed an argument for males over females on sexual drive. I grant anyone that! if many people are indeed this perverted, back to the course correct concept. I have seen the pervert side of schooling here, first hand. Both by staff and also byvrunning a school myself having to hide children from abusive family members. Its no joke, and very real. But not in the ways the media tries to portray (and by proxy avoids any kind of solve). I can say it isn’t as clear cut as men or foreigners. The taiwanese women enablers are equally as sick, if not moreso as it’s just for money with those horrible humans. rather than a fucked up biological urge. 
either way, the cultural norms of parents jsut ignoring and moving the kids to save face or the schools being allowed to be present in public…even open new schools or change names…the government can take a MUCH harsher stance on pedophilia and rape.
I actually find this country incredibly disgusting in these 2 realms as it’s so often left either unpunished or lightly punished. This has nothing to do with foreigners, cleaning shit, or being a professional. It has to do Wil lenien laws allowing truly disgusting human beings to continue to damage people.
Fuck. Sorry. That became a rant. I am quite enraged with this. But I stand tall in saying teachers should help kids get toilet trained. Never thought i would defend this point 
