What is wrong with Canada (Nearly 40% of Taiwanese immigrants to Canada have left in 20 years)

Except the topic was military protection, in which case it’s the wrong chapter let alone the page

I would like to nominate this inapt comparison as the worst take I’ve seen so far on forumosa in 2026—an impressive accomplishment given the heavy competition so far. Congratulations! :partying_face:

Guy

Transnational repression is a thing, it is serious, it affects many law abiding Canadians, and its impacts should not be underestimated.

Guy

And yet spot on in the trade analysis :clown_face:

On that point, I would suggest it is too early to call, with mixed results so far (a win with the A220 sales, a loss with Honda cancelling its EV investments).

Guy

No, my point is historical. To date, all liberalisation and diversification in Canada has been through Lib and Con predecessors. Fine, but no point in hyping it is a new approach. It has been the bipartisan approach for decades. Carney is being a hack in hogging credit.

Right, but there was a four-point list that I was responding to. One of those points was Canada relying on military protection from the United States. My point was, the only military, which is going to attack Canada is the United States.

The things China is doing in Canada, they are also doing in the states.

It is conflating two issues

Good post. I now better understand your point.

Guy

Exactly…

Every other country sees it…why doesn’t Canada?

Yes it means putting aside some dignity for stability and prosperity but so does having to kowtow to China when they say no envoys to taiwan…

And America is a bull market right now…Canada is not only missing out but speeding its own demise

How do you know this? Why would America attack lol.

We just divide and conquer economically…Alberta…

Japanese will say thanks for nothing Canada, video shows lesson for Japanese on going to Canada

translated into ENG (voice)

I’m still not watching any of these videos, but I expect we could find the same sorts of videos for people going to Japan.

In military and intelligence terms, Canada has not meaningfully distanced itself from the United States at all. If anything, the trend is arguably toward more integration, not less.

The reasons are in that report. The US and Canadian military and intelligence agencies are both concerned about China, russia, and the arctic. This is leading to more cooperation despite the public spats

One of the main criticisms from the US is telling Canada to spend more and modernize their missile defense system.And Canada

I don’t know about you but on what military strategy do you tell a country you want to invade to defend themselves better and integrate more with you?

I think you’re conflating hurt pride as a Canadian to the reality on the ground.

Canada is not wrong to explore opportunities for their Econoomy but the idea that it needs to defend itself from the US is absurd But Canada could not objectively stop a US full on invasion if that was actually what happens.

I don’t think I’m conflating military and other threats as in reality, major powers use all instruments together:

  • intelligence

  • cyber

  • economic leverage

  • propaganda

  • industrial policy

  • political influence

  • espionage

  • and military power

As I’ve mentioned, the biggest threat to Canada from the US is in hockey

Huh?

In that case you’re moving the goal posts

Nope. You moved the goal post on me once I mic dropped your own intelligence agencies saying the biggest threat that’s actively happening is from China to “only military threats”

But it doesn’t matter because Canada itself doesn’t interpret the US as a military threat as it’s not acted in accordance to that. You don’t actively continue to build defenses with a country that is a real military threat.

And Canada in those report does interpret what Russia and China is doing in the arctic as military threats and have been cooperating with the US to prevent that threat.

Your own government says this if i may drop the mic again on this “military threat” argument.

Canada-United States relations

“Canada and the United States are key allies and defence partners, and we collaborate closely to address international crises and to defend our shared interests abroad. Our mutual objectives of strengthening continental defence and safeguarding global peace and security have led to a deep and enduring cooperation between our respective defence and national security agencies.”

“Canada’s Arctic Foreign Policy recognizes the U.S. as Canada’s closest partner and ally sharing significant national interests in the Arctic.”

The CSIS report itself says:
“Our Five Eyes alliance (with the US) remains strong.”

And describe Canada-US defense ties as:
“arguably the closest and most comprehensive defense relationship of any two countries in the world.”

Offended sure, but allies have spats and disagree. Sometimes in an ugly fashion, not unlike people do with family and friends. But alliances stay because allies share enough values, incentives, culture, and goals. Can you honestly think of a country more close to Canada in those than the USA?

I don’t disagree that diversification is smart at the margins. Canada probably should reduce overconcentration risk where possible.

My point is more that people are confusing “more trade optionality” with “fundamentally replacing the U.S.”

An AirAsia aircraft order is good news for Canadian aerospace, but it doesn’t change the fact that Canada’s economy, military, intelligence, energy, and supply chains are still overwhelmingly integrated with the US and under stress right now due to the recent spat.

And even after all the Trump rhetoric, Canada doubled down on NORAD modernization and remains deeply tied into Five Eyes and continental defense. That tells you how the Canadian state itself actually views the relationship.

At the same time, in the intelligence reports, Canada mentions using alliances with the US to combat the threats from China, Iran, and Russia.

I also think Carney is running into real world constraints now. The EV story looked great politically a few years ago, but Honda pulling back is exactly the kind of thing that can eventually damage the image of “the experienced technocrat who understands markets better than everyone else.”

People ultimately care about, jobs, investment, wages, and opportunity.

If major projects keep stalling, voters will eventually start questioning whether the strategy actually matches economic reality. So I do think Carney should look to reset things with Trump somehow for now that doesn’t require him to openly bend the knee but still giving Trump enough face to reset things.

And honestly, maturing is realizing geopolitics usually has 3 layers:

  1. What leaders say for the domestic audience

  2. What they say for the foreign audience

  3. And the reality of what’s happening quietly behind closed doors.

Publicly everyone wants to look tough. But behind the scenes, both Ottawa and Washington clearly keep softening and stabilizing things because both governments know the relationship is too strategically important to truly rupture.

Show me thoose videos about Japan? I am curious what Canadian hate about Japanese?

The US relationship will ensure. But what an opportunity for Canada elsewhere. Agree with everything you said. It’s like fossil fuels–ain’t going anywhere but diversification is a good thing if it doesn’t interfere with reality.

Instead of crying like a sore bitch being dumped at the prom, Canadians should heed it as a wake up call and be more proactive.