When friendship dies

How can you tell? What are the signs?

I realize that it’s getting harder and harder for me to want to invest time and energy with a particular friend with whom I have been friends with for almost 20 years. Sure, she still rings whenever she needs to vent, but I am realizing that it seems to be all we do. She bitches about certain parts of her life, and I listen. I ask her if she wants feedback, and if she does I reflect back to her what I hear her say…blah blah blah. I feel like we have been having extremely similar conversations for the last ten years. With other old friends, we can joke about silly things, talk about what movies we have seen, books we have read, our views about anything and everything. With this particular friend, pretty much we talk about her problems. Whenever I try to steer the conversations to other areas, I find myself bored. Bored. Annoyed. Because things that come out of her mouth just sound bitter, even though she doesn’t mean it.

I feel sad about it. Maybe I should just tell her honestly how I feel about our friendship.

So, have you ever felt this way with any old friends? How can you tell if you have evolved so differently that the friendship dies?

Don’t ask her if she wants your feedback. Tell her about the movie you just saw. Anything.
Or start screening your incoming calls.

[quote=“Jubom”]How can you tell? What are the signs?

I realize that it’s getting harder and harder for me to want to invest time and energy with a particular friend with whom I have been friends with for almost 20 years. Sure, she still rings whenever she needs to vent, but I am realizing that it seems to be all we do. She bitches about certain parts of her life, and I listen. I ask her if she wants feedback, and if she does I reflect back to her what I hear her say…blah blah blah. I feel like we have been having extremely similar conversations for the last ten years. With other old friends, we can joke about silly things, talk about what movies we have seen, books we have read, our views about anything and everything. With this particular friend, pretty much we talk about her problems. Whenever I try to steer the conversations to other areas, I find myself bored. Bored. Annoyed. Because things that come out of her mouth just sound bitter, even though she doesn’t mean it.

I feel sad about it. Maybe I should just tell her honestly how I feel about our friendship.

So, have you ever felt this way with any old friends? How can you tell if you have evolved so differently that the friendship dies?[/quote]

All relationships go thru highs and lows, and it sounds like if you were to hang in there for 20 years, then this was friendship of value. Consider yourself lucky. Maybe it’s your time in the relationship to be patient and supportive and just give her/him space. Now, if this has been the modus operandi of the past 20 years then maybe you should take her/his behavior in serious consideration, as it sounds like you are needing to be invovled in something positive.

I’ve been on both sides of this fence. I’ve been dumped or people have distanced from me because of my 'oh woe is me" crap and I’ve had to dump people because , IMO, there seemed to be more work invovled in trying to create a relationship rather than having it and enjoying it.

You have to see how this relationship feeds you. If it’s been of value then bide your time and share your feelings and try to steer them toward the positive, but if it’s not going that way, then gracefully let them know you’ve enjoyed their company and what aspects of the relationship have added to your life and then bid farewell.

Wow, what a nice and sensible response. :bravo: I myslef was thinking about a friend back home (friends for 17 years) where we also seem to have drifted apart. My instinctive response to this thread was - Bail out now… However, I think your response is more sensible and has forced me to re-evaluate my own friendship… Thanks Namahottie :notworthy:

Here are my suggestions, for what they’re worth. I don’t really know anything about your particular situation. Take all advice given on the net, including this, with a pinch of salt!

I think it would be a pity to cut off the friendship altogether.

You might want to speak to her a little less frequently, though. (Sandman’s idea of screening calls might be an idea.)

If I were you I wouldn’t waste too much more time on giving advice that is not really being taken.

How about just listening to the problems for a little while each time, then when you want to, just do as Sandman says;[quote=“sandman”]Don’t ask her if she wants your feedback. Tell her about the movie you just saw.[/quote]

And when you need to finish the call just say “OK, I have to go now. It’s been good talking to you…” etc.

If a person is not really open to being helped, there is very little we can do to help him/her. But I think that staying in touch at least is good when possible.

Sound like my mum. Our lengthy, expensive, long-distance calls usually consist of me listening to how bad everything is.

Last time, I tried to steer the conversation away from melancholy by asking if there’s any good news, and she apologised for a depressing conversation, then went into detail about how there wasn’t much good news to tell me.

It’s been like that for years. :s

When you find out what to do, please let me know. :help:

I have… 'er had a friend like that. We were close friends for about 15 years. It got to a point where, any time I tried to insert a different topic of conversation, he’d just completely ignore what I had said and keep going as if I hadn’t said anything at all. One or two more attempts to get off the subject and he’d suddenly lose interest and would leave or hang up. That kind of hurt me, if I’m being honest, because we were supposed to be really good friends–and it was clear he didn’t give a sh*t about anyone but himself. After a few months of the same thing, it just annoyed me. Soon after that, I was just happy to have a sure-fire way to get rid of him.

Sometimes old friendships slip into a coma and enter a permanently vegetative state. It’s a tough call but in some cases you have to remove the feeding tubes and move on.

I was good friends with someone up in Taipei for three years but it ended up being one-sided. I was the only one calling up and he seemed barely engaged during our conversations. It would have hurt less if he had just said, “Look, I’m really sorry but I just don’t want to be your friend anymore.” Cue violins.

Thanks for all the advice. There are a lot of good things here that help me to remember what I really want and what kind of friend I am striving to be, while taking care of myself. Very validating for folks to be able to relate to me, too. THANKS!

This is not the first time that these feelings have surfaced with this particular friend. There is really something for me to look at in terms of what my intentions are here and to decide if it’s worth my efforts. With this friend, we share some pretty similar woundings in terms of what we went through during childhood. In some ways I feel like I have been lucky enough to have received divine intervention through many wonderful people in my life and I’d like to support her to create different realities for herself, too. Pay it forward, so to speak. But maybe it’s time that I humble myself and say that maybe I can’t do it yet as I am dealing with similar issues. Plus she may not want to do it anywhere close as to how I am doing it. Much humbling can really happen here.

I know that she has been in a lot of pain for a long, long, long time, and it’s challenging for me to watch because I really believe that certain things will help to transform some, if not most, of that pain. I am usually pretty good at letting things be what they are and just be with the person, since I believe that being together is a lot times helpful to help someone get grounded and eventually take risks to change. But I really need to remember that it is what it is, and she may never change, and that may be too painful for me to stay connected to her the way I was able to before. I may not be able to until I grow more myself, and that may be the thing to be honest about with her.

She really isn’t doing anything wrong or bad per se, since I know that pain works in mysterious ways and it may be a long while until we are able to cope with it differently or to benefit from it; I am just having a hard time watching her doing what she does. It’s too scary for me, on some level, since the very things that she is holding onto are the very things I am trying to work through. She really wants to be able to control her environment so that she has a sense of security for herself, therefore so much of her energy goes towards judging, blaming, justifying and being controlling, and I get that; I have done it that way for many years, too, and it did work to a certain extent. I am trying to move through that desire to control and manipulate though, becase that doesn’t get me what I truly want which is to stay connected as honestly and lovingly as possible with myself and others. I just may not be able to support her the way I’d like to, since it’s really getting way too triggering for me. I am in the process of working on dealing with my own insecurities, too, when feeling threatened, challenged or impoverished, especially with loved ones. Just because I was born into a certain environment where things were done a certain way doesn’t mean I don’t get to do it differently for myself, and I have working on that for the last ten years.

So, long story short, I really need to be humbled to know that I may not be able to do certain things for her, no matter how much I’d like to, because of where I am at right now. Hopefully one day I’d be able to hold her without triggering huge upest for myself, and before that day comes I really need to take care of myself first. I hope that doesn’t mean I’d need to cut myself off from her, because I really value loyalty and long-time relationships. Hopefully she and I can connect at a deep level again. I certainly can work on becoming more grounded in my own beliefs and practicing what I believe so that it’s a reflex rather than a learned response.

I hope this makes sense. Thanks guys!

[quote=“Stray Dog”]Sound like my mum. Our lengthy, expensive, long-distance calls usually consist of me listening to how bad everything is.

Last time, I tried to steer the conversation away from melancholy by asking if there’s any good news, and she apologised for a depressing conversation, then went into detail about how there wasn’t much good news to tell me.

It’s been like that for years. :s

When you find out what to do, please let me know. :help:[/quote]

You’re from South Africa, right? I get the same from friends on the phone. It’s a real pain in the ass…

My family are usually more upbeat though and stick to good news, like who’s marrying who and who just had a baby etc… Then again when that concerns cousins who are ten or 15 years younger than me it depresses me 'cos I realise how old I’m getting… :fume: