When will quarantine in Taiwan end? (Currently 0+7)

Taiwan may have been mentioned a couple of times, yes. But I think calling Taiwan “the envy of the world” is just daydreaming.

My friends, all with Master degree, some with PhD, didn’t even know where Taiwan was before I moved here. Some of them are journalists.

“The envy of the world” I am sorry to say but, it’s just sound like those CCP propaganda videos that are made for every city in China, where they show that the City appeared in some western country’s TV show, and that now the city is famous around the world and yes, “the envy of the world”.

What actually is talk about in the news and newspapers in the West, meaning Europe, USA and also Central and South America (that’s part of the West too), is not Taiwan is how each country’s politicians have just done everything wrong. The typical news from everyday, just with Covid approach.

If someone didn’t know where Taiwan was before the Covid, 99% chance they still don’t know it now. Maybe the % is higher among politicians and journalists but common people… no difference.

The negative consequences of the virus to Taiwan’s people, busnisses and we foreigners, who live here, have far more weight than the short lived PR show.
How many states will recognize Taiwan as a country after the virus? The same as before. And China keeps pushing that organizations around the world call Tawan a province of China.

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I’m sorry I just don’t agree with you at all.

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China will keep being China.

But Taiwan has in my view gotten a clearer sense of itself lately—some sense that yes, despite all the challenges and problems, we can make it.

Guy

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This is just unequivocally true. Taiwan has more direction and people are more positive about Taiwan than any time in the last decade.

Everything will be fine anyway, the vaccines will come in q4 and we will open up a bit later than others. I’m still really bullish on the Taiwan economy in general right now

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We are so far off topic here, but I think part of this as well is how much more repressive things are becoming in Hong Kong and China. Taiwan always looked good in comparison. Now it looks friggin amazing.

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Perhaps you’re listening to single discipline focused people more than I am. Taiwan is part of many conversations I listen to, especially with people who are waking up to the influence of the CCP.

I imagine these people are fairly deeply cloistered in their slave labour positions and as for the journalists, they’re most likely not studying to investigate anything other than social media trends. Social media is rather narcissistic and popularity based.

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I think its a lot of factors:

  1. Taiwan economy performing better. Outperformed China last year. For nearly twenty years Taiwan had no hope.
  2. Taiwan’s COVID response was a big thing
  3. Hong Kong was a wake up call and like you said China has become a lot less attractive
  4. DPP in general have performed pretty well and Taiwan has become a better place
  5. Podcasts and Youtube and new media are now really really popular and have changed the narrative about what Taiwanese think about themselves and their country. Before was always the shitty TV shows and news.
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Maybe because the question of this thread can’t be answered, just guessed. It’s only speculation.
I hope quarantine ends before March 2022.

Sure, but where? Here in Taiwan among foreigners for sure. Again, it’s a question of % before and after the Covid. I don’t think there is a significant difference in day conversations or knowlegde about Taiwan for people in Europe without experience in Taiwan or relatives in Taiwan.
Maybe Taiwan made it to the news few times, then it’s gone in the media.

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I agree. None of my friends knew Taiwan did so well last year. They just assumed we were locking down etc like them. When I told them, they were surprised and they instantly forgot. Taiwan is hardly ever mentioned on the main news channels/in the newspapers. My dad kept an eye out because he was confused why they didn’t get a mention but Japan, Korea etc did. The only time he saw some news about Taiwan was when he saw something about China maybe attacking in the future.

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Same here. Eerily the same, actually - you could be describing my dad and friends.

Nearly every major news source in the world wrote stories about Taiwan’s success story, and repeatedly. Which would suggest that there was very much a global audience

At that time it really was. Along with NZ and Australia. Friends and family were well aware Taiwan was one of the few places where normal life was going on. In Asia it was well known that Taiwan was in a very good place.

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Whether people’s family back home noticed it or not is also kind of irrelevant, it changed the way Taiwanese people looked at their country.

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If you read my post clearly, you should have the answer. Nearly none. I put down what is the minimum to get engineers to come to Taiwan. most still would decline. But some would agree. But companies cannot offer such a package, so neither is it paid nor any engineer coming to Taiwan to install something…

Dont you work in outdoor sports or something?

Taiwan economy is going gangbusters overall becaude it is heavy in electronics. Tax receipts are up big time.

Yes they will need to open but they aren’t under any immediate pressure to do so…Compared to Singapore for instance.

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Also the Taishang reinvestment.

From VP Lai Qing De 3 weeks ago: Investment this year up to 7/30 has already surpassed 1.2 Trillion NTD and created 180,000 new jobs. This is mostly from Taiwanese companies returning but also includes Cisco. ASML, Microsoft and Google.
https://www.chinatimes.com/newspapers/20210819000408-260110?chdtv

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Brother man, you’re the one that has no idea how it works if you think those are anything resembling high numbers that’s meant to prove a point - 1) I’ve had work pay close to that for that just on 1 round trip flight, never mind bonuses and per diem. 2) you’ve never stayed in anything resembling a 5 star hotel if you think you’re getting one for 215€/night - I usually stay at the Sheraton Taipei when in town, and that’s typically more than that, and nothing close to 5 star. 3) $20k ain’t nothing when contract work isn’t getting done, never mind when a factory is sitting idle. As for food and accommodations in general, sheeit, big bucks travelling consultant engineers are used to working in remote shitty areas - that’s one of the drivers of big pay in some industries. A few weeks quarantine with delivered food ain’t nothing either.

1 - pfffttttt, ha! I’ve made 1.5x my normal engineer annual salary on a 4 month shitty overseas gig. 2 - some companies exist just for this type of work - and certainly when one is talking about doing foreign installations in companies.

100.000€ vs a shuttered factory… we have very different ideas of what he’s talking about if we think that’s even something resembling a difficult decision to be made there.

How can you say “exactly” to 5 star hotels, business class, and those numbers? :smiley: What 5 star hotel you staying at in Taiwan?

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And then buried them ten pages from the home page…

I’m not talking about any really specialist engineers. Just someone installing a machine cause he knows, so an average European engineer. And yes American have higher salaries. Europe ain’t doing well either…

And I know many companies not doing things out of salary scheme restrictions. But maybe that only applies to European companies