Which PDA and why?

OK, I guess this topic has prbably be done before, but i could not find the answers i wanted.

I want to use the PDA not just for storing names and addresses etc, but also for writing documents, keeping track of expenses using a spreadsheet, being able to browse so that i can keep track of email etc.

Whilst i am no novice to PC’s, i have no idea about PDA’s.

Which OS should i use, can it run in a switchable mode between English and Mandarin, can you get software that allows you to input chinese characters if running in English OS mode. What about memory or cpu, palm or Win CE.

Is it possible to purchase software here in Taiwan in English, i will be looking for a english to chinese, chinese to english dictionary software, preferably one that can give pronunciation as well.

I know that there is a lot of questions here, and people will have some that i have not covered.

Budget is up to about NT$ 20,000 for the unit, extra functions or plug ins available for items like cameras etc would be really useful.

Appreciate the help in advance.

Sony clie series are noteworthy for design. You might want to give it a try

Kenneth

You are asking for a lot and if you are willing to pay up to $20,000. You can get the best Palm OS or Pocket PC (Microsoft OS). If you like gadgets like music and camera, you can get the new Sony Clie (Palm OS) with a built in camera. Pocket PC has more software available but they consume more power and are typically larger than Palm devices. All major PDAs can add a camera option but the quality and battery life is not worth it. If you really want a camera, go with the Clie. My opinions:
Palm OS: Simple, faster, longer battery life, smaller, less built-in memory, small utilities
Pocket PC: Windows-like, slower, shorter battery life, larger, more built-in memory, larger applications
Most people that I know find a PDA that looks and feels good. They don’t worry about the software too much because they still have a computer at home and at work. I think you will find that it is not convenient to use a PDA as a replacement of your computer. Some people get more functions than they need and don’t use them because the screen is so small, typing is slow, and functions are limited. It is sometimes easier just to wait a few hours until you get to a computer. Eventually, your PDA will be mainly used for contacts, schedules, conversions, calculations, and dictionaries which a less than $10,000 PDA will handle just fine.

Most PDA’s can do what you want. The CJKOS program lets you type/input Chinese with the normal English OS. CJKOS should come with any PDA you buy in Taiwan.

Most(all?) software can be purchased online, downloaded and installed from your computer to your PDA. I did this with Oxford’s Chinese/English dictionary.

Memory is important, eventually. I would say at least 16MB, but get as much built in as you can afford. With the CJKOS on the minimum settings, I can take about 15 full size color pictures with my digital camera that plugs into my PDA. My MP3 player on the other hand has all the memory built into the unit and only requires my PDA for power, though I can interface it from the PDA if I want. I have only 8MB, which is enough, but I would feel comfortable with more.

I would get a Palm, Sony, or Compaq with the Palm OS. A collapsible keyboard is an absolute must for anyone who wants to type papers, emails, or make long notes. Definitely take a look at their websites and compare models and accessories. I would say accessories are the more important of the two. Some built-in features are not as good as the accesory that can do the same thing. Also get a travel charger for trips, as the hot-sink stand is bulky in comparison.

A PDA is only as good as the computer you use and connect with often. Mine serves as extension of my computer. You won’t get an email, private message, or anything written up from me unless I do it with my PDA.

I have a Handspring Visor Prism. I love it, but there are problems with Handsprings. Any accessory you want for one is almost impossible to find. If you find it in Taiwan, it will be hideously expensive. You’ll have to keep checking till they put it on sale or you find it cheaper elsewhere. The new Handspring Treo series can not accept the accessories for the older visor series. If they did, then I would probably upgrade to the Treo. Also keep in mind that everyone who has a PDA loves it and tries to convert others, but the companies that make and design them consistently lose money.

Okami

Sony Clie (Palm OS) - specialized in built-in cameras
sonystyle.ca/webapp/commerce … t=CLIE_PDA

Handspring Treo (Palm OS) - specialized in built-in phones
handspring.com/products/viso … ame=Family

Palm (Palm OS) - specialized in simplicity
palm.com/products/family.epl

I’m gonna use this as my chance to celibrate getting my t68i and Tungsten T to finally work together (for email and websurfing :sunglasses: )!!! I’ll just describe my setup and try to answer your questions as I go along.

I bought the TT (it’s comes with added sexyness at no extra charge :sunglasses: ) in Taibei at 3C. The English OS is already installed and it comes with instructions to install the Chinese OS. You can switch between the Chinese OS and English OS. So far I’ve inputed all characters with the writing recognition, I haven’t setup the pinyin input yet. It does not allow me to input Chinese characters in English mode. But in Chinese mode you can input English Characters (I usually just have it in Chinese mode).

You can write doc’s, do spreadsheets and keep track of email on almost any PDA (this included). It comes with the software to edit Word and Excel Doc’s. There’s a really nice keyboard availible for it. It also comes with websurfing and email downloading software.

I haven’t installed any dictionaries yet, but there are some availible. The Tungsten has this really fast processor, so you can watch movies on it and (one day) play MP3’s. And now that I got it to work with the phone (via bluetooth) I can browse web pages and send/receive email ANYWHERE!!! :laughing:

I paid 17,900NT for the TT and bought a 128mb SD card for about 2,000NT.

I would recommend getting a digital camera the plugs into a pda (in most scenarios). There’s usually a whole slew of add-on’s for PDA. I believe the Visor’s have lots (if your into that kind of thing).

I suggest taking a serious look at the Clie T665C for the Palm OS http://sonyelectronics.sonystyle.com/micros/clie/models/665.html. I’ve been using a PDA for the last three years and just recently upgraded from a Palm IIIxe. Get the right software and it does all you are asking for - CJKOS swithces between Chinese and English, you could get the Oxford C - E - C dictionary, you can read and write in your Word documents and Excel spreadsheets, check and send your e-mail via your mobile or a modem…

But these things can be accomplished with most any old Palm OS PDA these days (don’t know about Windows-based ones, but they should do the same thing - however, the ones I’ve looked at are far more cumbersome to work in than the Palm OS).

In the end, it is the solid feel and the total lack of plasticky, easily-breakable-junk-feeling together with 128Mb memory stick giving you about 2 hours of MP3 music to carry with you wherever you go that tips the scale in favor of Sony. I was already dependent on my PDA, but this MP3 thingy makes it addictive.

The price? NT$12,500, plus 2,000 for the 128 meg memory stick. I also got a couple of small sticks, one for books and such stuff, and one for dictionaries and other language stuff that I don’t need on the PDA at all times.

I will be upgrading my Palm Vx to Sony’s CLIE PEG-TG50
[From Palm Boulevard]
The TG50 runs Palm OS 5 but doesn’t have a clamshell design like Sony’s other Palm OS 5 handhelds, the CLIE PEG-NZ90 and NX series. The unit does have a flip cover for protection and a thumb keyboard (backlit for night usage). Its square 320x320 pixel display supports 65,000 colors. It has no graffiti area. So if you want to use virtual graffiti on this handheld, it’ll take up half the screen.
The PDA has a 200 MHz XScale processor, making it one of the fasted Palm OS handhelds, 16 MB of RAM and integrated Bluetooth (like the NZ90). It measures 5.0 x 2.8 x .6 inches and weighs 6.5 ounces. The TG50 is a tenth of inch thinner with the flip cover open.
Other features include the standard application buttons and a multifunction rocker that’s a step up from the one found in the CLIE PEG-T665c. Two extra buttons on either side of the application keys replace the silkscreen functions usually found in most Palm OS devices’ graffiti areas. It also has a scroll wheel, voice recorder, Flash player, back button, mp3 player and the same Sony CLIE Launcher that first appeared in the NX70v.
Its Memory Stick slot supports the upcoming Memory Stick Pro cards. A new remote control feature allows users to control Bluetooth-enabled Sony cameras, such as the DSC-FX77 Cyber-shot digital camera, and camcorders, like the DCR-TRV80 Handycam.
The TG50 costs $400 and should hit stores later this month. Sony is taking pre-orders on its website. The units cost and set of features put it in line with Palm’s Tungsten T, offering that PDA some stiff competition. Both devices feature Bluetooth and 16MB of RAM, but the TG50 is a little longer (when the Tungsten T is fully expanded), has a faster processor and a keyboard. In addition, it has a native mp3 player.

Another review with pictures and preliminary User’s Manual:
bargainpda.com/default.asp?newsID=1186

I love my Handspring Treo 180g. Has full Palm OS with email, Internet, word processing, spreadsheet etc, plus the joy of a fully functioning cell phone.

Syncs with my PC via USB or infrared.

Windows CE does allow you to do “a little” more, but at the same time, it’s just Windows on a smaller screen (kind of). And CEs supposedly take more power due to the color displays.

Palm is probably the king of PDA market. But I just can’t stand its stupid graffiti handwriting system. It’s stupid with today’s technology humans have to learn to write for machine as opposed to machines learning to adapt to human handwriting… Apple’s Newton (father of modern PDA) was capable of handwriting recognition (and learning) back in the early 1990s. For this reason along, I think the Palms are stupid.

That aside, for $20K NT, you should be able to get a fairly sophisticated PDA in either world, especially CE (I personally like the Compaq PDAs). Sonys running Palm are also nice with lots of gedgety features. But I don’t trust Sony electronics for its short longevity (1 year, to be exact). Sharp has an interesting PDA running Linux. Although it has not garnered any market share as of yet, it did stir up the market quite a bit.

Anyone got any ideas on this one:

Motorola A388c

Cheers
HG

[quote=“Huang Guang Chen”]Anyone got any ideas on this one:

Motorola A388c

Cheers
HG[/quote]

The one Gus had at Voice seems better then the one you are considering. The only draw back is its standard PDA size. But since youare pencil neck geek, you should have no problem stuffing it in a shirt pocket, or an ocassionally misplaced bag.

I have the A388 and it is a lovely phone. Very decent pda, web, and phone combo, but the small writing screen is a bit of pain. Also its difficult to use with one hand and the pen keeps falling out… usally on a bar room floor off of which the phone has just bounced and slid, so I can’t really blame the industrial design. heck, it even survived a 45KM sling on to Tun Hua North Road.

At 500USD (roughly 17K NT) its not much more expensive then the 14K A388c. And whats one night of boozing compared to ease of pda/phone using.

Battery life might be an issue, though. On this I defer to the alien resident from…Gus?

Chou

Thanks Chou.

I’ve looked but not seen if there’s any digital cam clicky on thingy, MP3? Couldn’t find it. Surprisingly few reviews on this model I note.

HG

Edit:

Also I notice it only has 7mb of memory. I wanna get the Oxford Chinese dictionary but they suggest 4-8mb. Is this as big a problem as it initially appears?

PDAs are like plans to lose weight and/or exercise regularly

I had specific wants for a PDA; it should be simple & easy to use, have long battery life and be fairly sturdily constructed. I didn’t want to pay above 7-8000NT.

I didn’t need ability to play mp3s, or colour display.

Obviously for simplicity and battery life I was looking at a Palm OS machine. The choice seemed to be between Handspring Visor, Sony Clie and Palm machines. Although the price of the no-longer produced Handspring Visor standalone PDAs was attractive (I think that Nova in Taichung and Taipei still sell them if you’re interested), the screen looks a bit fragile, and the expansion options were limited to the now obsolete Visor proprietary format (although there are some nice plug-in modules such as cameras for that format).

I bought a Palm m125 because it seemed sturdily built and because the power was supplied by two AA batteries as opposed to the internal rechargable battery most PDAs have. I preferred this because good batteries such as Duracells should always last longer than an internal rechargable, and because it’s more flexible - I don’t need another power adaptor if I visit another country.

The battery thing has brought its own issues, though. The PDA retains everything in memory for about 1 minute, so you have enough time to change batteries. Pimlico software didn’t seem to agree with it, though. I was using first their free utility ‘weekview’, which enhances the built-in datebook application, and then I bought their standalone application ‘Datebook5’. Whenever I replaced batteries I would get critical error messages and would often have to do a hard reset and reload everthing from my desktop computer onto the PDA. I have stopped using the Pimlico application and now do not have this problem.

roc makes a good point. You have to actually remember to use the thing. Quite a few regular posters here use the ‘Supermemo’ program, me included. I don’t always remember to switch on the PDA and do my tests every day, though, so its effectiveness is compromised. I try to use the PDA as the primary address/phone book list and then sync other stuff (desktop pc, cellphone) from that. I don’t always remember to do this, though, and it gets confusing when I put a new phone number into my cellphone or enter a new e-mail address into my desktop and forget to put them into the PDA.

I bought a hard case made by Proporta in Britain. It’s very good; made from ABS plastic, has an optional belt clip and the PDA stays in the case all the time, you just flip open the lid and take the stylus out of the back of the case.

Proporta is a good company. I dropped the PDA in the case shortly after getting them. The PDA was fine, but the little window in the front slipped out of place. I got on the phone to Proporta and they apologised, saying they had had a batch where the window was a bit less secure, but that their production was back to normal. Not only did they send me a new case and some freebies, completely free of charge, but because I was in a hurry they also let me keep the old one and explained to me how I could fix it with a little bit of superglue. How’s that for service?

So I didn’t have to take the PDA out of the case every time I hotsynced, I bought an infrared reciever that plugs into the serial port of my desktop. It’s really meant for synchronising cellphones to the desktop, but works fine with the PDA. Now the only time I take the PDA out of the case is to change the batteries about once a month.

Actually the thing that’s attracting me is not so much the exec on the move type features, but more the desire for a compact Chinese/English dictionary connected to my phone. I’ve gotten really lazy at looking up characters I’ve forgotten, unsure of, don’t know. The thought of a phone with that option is very appealing. The smaller the better. The other stuff is extra fluff which I’m sure I’ll enjoy, but flummmery nonetheless.

So is this Motorola 388c the beast for me?

Cheers.

HG

Yeah, sorry Huang, I was diverting from your original post a bit; just thought I’d talk a bit about my PDA in case anyone was interested.

Can’t help you on the Motorola.

Hey Joe (that song threads doing me in!)

That’s cool. Out of interest, and laziness to check back, what’s the main reason you have a PDA? You a busy man, lots of schedules, meetings and stuff? I’m curious to know if I really want all thisese bels and whistles. God I spend enough time in front of a monitor I’m not sure I’d be keen on staring at my palm whenthere was no 'puter around.

HG

I make my life far more complicated than it really needs to be. To try to simplify things, I bought the PDA.

Primarily, it is a comprehensive address book which can be backed up, synchronised and printed out, saving manual copying of addresses, phone nos and e-mail addresses. It also saves carrying a separate memo pad around so I have my landlady’s bank details and things like that handy.

Also, IF I remember to switch it on every day;

I don’t forget appointments or birthdays and I have a prioritised to-do list which if I actually do the things on it instead of ignoring them, is very helpful.

I have a very efficient way of learning and retaining large amounts of any information I care to chop up into little pieces and remember (Pimlico Supermemo)

I have owned two Palm PDAs, a PalmIIIx and a Palm m105. Neither lasted long than 18 months before becoming very cranky and prone to lossing data. I was kind to both these machines and didn’t drop either of them.

Admittedly these are relatively cheap models but I think Palm’s hardware is not very well made especially when I compare it to my mobile which is still working after 3 years and being dropped a couple of times.

On the software side I think the Palm OS is great. It does want you need without to many gimicks.

So I have gone back to a diary and address book until I hear reports of more durable hardware.