[ 28 ]Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I
The father is greater yet they are the same? Going away to yourself?
You would have to twist in a pretzel mentally to try to get the Trinity out of that.
Philippians 2:9-11 “Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of the Father.”
The same person can somehow exault themselves?
Matthew 24:36, Jesus speaking: “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father
They are the same but the son doesn’t know the end date?
No. You haven’t shown why we people on the sidelines should care about what looks to us for all the world like a petty doctrinal dispute. If the case was “they say they are Christians but they burn statues of Christ” or “they reject the entire New Testament” or something, that would be one thing. But it’s not. The burden is on you here, and cracks about wikipedia and the like are just making you look foolish.
If you think the trinity says they are the same, that’s probably why you think it’s wrong. We are using humans finite minds to use a even more finite language to discribe god.
Didn’t get much recognition in his time, killed off too early, and gaining respect later? I dunno, sounds like a certain Roman-era Jewish prophet to me.
There was a point when Christians were following Jesus while he was still alive. Imo, most religions are just very successful cults. Go back far enough and I’m sure they all had cult-like origins.
No, that only happened a couple of weeks ago (over Ukraine). You may be thinking of the Great Schism, which happened a thousand years ago, and involved the Eastern and Western Roman Empire. (Eastern = Byzantine)
That’s what I was referring to. Byzantines and Russians going their separate ways from the Romans a thousand years back. (But I’m not sure which one gets the term Orthodox, or if they’re both Orthodox, or where Nestorian fits in, so I opted for “Byzantines and Russians”.)
EDIT: Oh what the hell, may as well throw in the point that some of the Protestant movements complained that Catholicism was polytheist - not just the trinity, but also Mary and all the saints. Islam has said the same, I’m not sure how often.