Why Have Public Schools at All?

I think that Mark Steyn is spot on as usual…

[quote]Do Away With Public Schools
By Jonah Goldberg
Wednesday, June 13, 2007

Here’s a good question for you: Why have public schools at all? OK, cue the marching music. We need public schools because blah blah blah and yada yada yada. We could say blah is common culture and yada is the government’s interest in promoting the general welfare. Or that children are the future. And a mind is a terrible thing to waste. Because we can’t leave any child behind. The problem with all these bromides is that they leave out the simple fact that one of the surest ways to leave a kid “behind” is to hand him over to the government. Americans want universal education, just as they want universally safe food. But nobody believes that the government should run nearly all of the restaurants, farms and supermarkets. Why should it run the vast majority of the schools - particularly when it gets terrible results?

Consider Washington, home of the nation’s most devoted government-lovers and, ironically, the city with arguably the worst public schools in the country. Out of the 100 largest school districts, according to the Washington Post, D.C. ranks third in spending for each pupil ($12,979) but last in spending on instruction. Fifty-six cents out of every dollar go to administrators who, it’s no secret, do a miserable job administrating, even though D.C. schools have been in a state of “reform” for nearly 40 years.

In a blistering series, the Post has documented how badly the bureaucrats have run public education. More than half of the District of Columbia’s teenage kids spend their days in “persistently dangerous” schools, with an average of nine violent incidents a day in a system with 135 schools. “Principals reporting dangerous conditions or urgently needed repairs in their buildings wait, on average, 379 days … for the problems to be fixed,” according to the Post. But hey, at least the kids are getting a lousy education. A mere 19 schools managed to get “proficient” scores or better for a majority of students on the district’s Comprehensive Assessment Test.

A standard response to such criticisms is to say we don’t spend enough on public education. But if money were the solution, wouldn’t the district, which spends nearly $13,000 on every kid, rank near the top? If you think more money will fix the schools, make your checks out to “cash” and send them to me. Private, parochial and charter schools get better results. Parents know this. Applications for vouchers in the district dwarf the available supply, and home schooling has exploded. As for schools teaching kids about the common culture and all that, as a conservative I couldn’t agree more. But is there evidence that public schools are better at it? The results of the 2006 National Assessment of Educational Progress history and civics exams showed that two-thirds of U.S. high school seniors couldn’t identify the significance of a photo of a theater with a sign reading “Colored Entrance.” And keep in mind, political correctness pretty much guarantees that Jim Crow and the civil rights movement are included in syllabi. Imagine how few kids can intelligently discuss Manifest Destiny or free silver.

Right now, there’s a renewed debate about providing “universal” health insurance. For some liberals, this simply means replicating the public school model for health care. (Stop laughing.) But for others, this means mandating that everyone have health insurance - just as we mandate that all drivers have car insurance - and then throwing tax dollars at poorer folks to make sure no one falls through the cracks. There’s a consensus in America that every child should get an education, but as David Gelernter noted recently in the Weekly Standard, there’s no such consensus that public schools need to do the educating. Really, what would be so terrible about government mandating that every kid has to go to school, and providing subsidies and oversight when necessary, but then getting out of the way?

Milton Friedman noted long ago that the government is bad at providing services - that’s why he wanted public schools to be called “government schools” - but that it’s good at writing checks. So why not cut checks to people so they can send their kids to school? What about the good public schools? Well, the reason good public schools are good has nothing to do with government’s special expertise and everything to do with the fact that parents care enough to ensure their kids get a good education. That wouldn’t change if the government got out of the school business. What would change is that fewer kids would get left behind. [/quote]

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The major problem with public schools is the fact that neophyte and shit teachers get the bad schools and when they prove themselves worthy, they get promoted to the good schools. In other words, the kids at the schools performing poorly get the worst or least experienced teachers. So the schools get worse and can only attract teachers who can’t get jobs in better schools. And once they get better, those teachers move on. It’s a vicious cycle. They either never stick around long enough to develop a good rapport with the students or they don’t care enough to want to develop rapport with their students.

I don’t think turning schools over to the highest bidder is going to make them better. And yes, administrators are making way too much money. But they are not much more than CEOs, barely taking part in the day to day and only knowing what happens in their schools through reports from the trenches. They are so disconnected from their schools they don’t even recognize individuals in the schools.

Perhaps by requiring administrators to work for their money, perhaps going in and tutoring those kids who are falling through the cracks or training teachers to be better educators, they might be more aware of the problems and actually do something effective rather than sitting in the board room and making baseless decisions about schools they haven’t spent any time in.

One wonders why you have such a desperate interest in justifying the failings of such a failed institution. Why not try something different? Could it be any worse?

I did like the 18th century. But these days you need the help to be literate to be any use.

Get rid of the NEA for starters.

Who is becoming literate in a public school mutha fukka?

‘sup homey…da bi-yatach be bustin’ a cap in yo’ white azz…yu bess recognize…fershizzle

Why that kind of language sounds like it was just made for a why Made for TV movie starring you and Paris Hilton. What shenanigans and madcap adventures the two of you could get into now that she is doing time or rather doin time in da Big House!

Beg Pardon Sir?

Both my good taste and physician preclude me from any involvement with this “Paris Hilton”…ho.

If it’s not working properly, I say fix it, don’t scrap it.

Strange but that sounds almost “oh exactly” like the Public Relations pitch that the NEA used to convince voters not to support vouchers… and who says that the independent mind doesn’t exist? So I would “say” that you are not “saying” much of anything that was not “said” by the PR firm in NY City when the NEA “said” to it to “say” something to get voters to “say” that the NEA was right about what it was “saying.” Congratulations!

The same could be applied to the Armed Forces. If it’s not working properly, would you scrap it?

Public education is every bit as important as having a military. Public education ensures that everyone gets a shot at becoming educated, not just those who can pay for it.

By the way, I’m also a supporter of the NEA. Imagine the art world without it. Andrew Lloyd Webber and Thomas Kinkade all around!

Well, at least it keeps them out of the 7-11, most of the time.

Well, the US armed forces are recognized as being the best of the best in the entire world. When has anyone ever said that about our primary and secondary school (public) education? anyone? anytime? anywhere?

Well given the “taste factor”, or lack there of, I’m sure Fred has no problem with that. Be careful what you suggest!

HG

By who? Assume the position and hand over those references.

HG

To be fair, Chris, “Should teachers be government employees/schools be government institutions?” and “Should the government pay for every child’s education?” are two different questions.

A single payer national health plan, for example, could ensure that everyone got health care, but it would not require that the doctor treating you was a government employee. Similarly, a generously funded voucher program could pay for every child’s education, but would not require that teachers be government employees, and schools be run by government bureaucrats.

Don’t get me wrong, I think there are legitimate arguments against vouchers. All I’m saying is that, on this narrow point, your suggestion that for government to pay for a benefit it must necessarily make the providers of that benefit government employees is not correct.

This thread is based on the assumption, which fred repeats a number of times, that public schools are not working and are a failure. I believe that’s a faulty premise. It’s been a number of years since I finished school, but the public schools I attended seemed just fine, for the most part, and I suspect – despite all the complaints – most public schools are still perfectly satisfactory. Yes, plenty of illiterate idiots graduate from high school, but that’s the parents’ fault as much as anything else, and plenty of geniuses graduate from public schools too.

If the educational budget were as big as the military budget…

I don’t see anything wrong with public school teachers being on the government payroll, as long as there’s also the option of sending your kids to private schools.

I happened to attend an excellent public school myself; just as there are bad public schools, there are also good ones. It is possible, with the will and the funds, to change the bad public schools into good ones.