Why is Taiwan making it so easy for people to immigrate?

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If the PRC has any sort of actual immigration policy and is “expanding immigration,” it has carefully hidden this approach from the outside world.

Guy

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It’s easy to visit Taiwan, it’s easy to move to Taiwan, but it’s very hard to marry local women, be accepted by family and it’s extremely difficult to raise up kids. It’s one of hardest place. This is why I exit on time. Best decisions of my life.

When it comes to TSMC chairman Mark Lou,his statement to sucks it up, I find it always interesting and funny how big bosses love to give big words about other people hard work.
Sure suck it up, he makes millions working whole day long, while engineer makes a salary.
I listened to Elion Mask interview he complained about people working from home. Cause it’s killing productivity by 10%, you want to force people to commute 3 hours daily ? Maybe there is more to life than your billions, and your ego ? Maybe people families and kids are more important ?A typical engineer can not outsource kids 24 hours per day like rich business owners can do.
A lot of senior TSMC managers have American passports. I am very curious how they will rotate their stuff. Maybe with idea to prevent Taiwanese engineers getting a long term American visa and right to freely pick another company with better work culture?
TSMC has been spoiled by ROC government and hard working humble Taiwanese. In USA they will have to play by different rules and or they will get hurt in the long run.

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It really isn’t. Taiwan has plenty of people with fairly cushy jobs too. As somebody familiar with South East Asia and China and Japan and Korea, Taiwan has better working arrangements than those countries I feel. Women are treated better in Taiwan, at least citizens are. Requirement for overtime is less than Japan. Not as competitive as Korea. And no six day weeks like China and south east asia.

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Only of you are lucky to be in a nice company. Most companies don’t . My company haven’t paid us new year bonus for over two years and most companies would make up excuses like “less profit”

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The average is something like 0.5 mths to 1 mth bonus for all employees in Taiwan. There were lots of years my employer gave me no CNY bonus , they would stiff me on it because they paid me a higher monthly wage (they would never admit it though…).

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Certainly they have benefitted from national industrial policy (example: setting up the science park in Hsinchu, plus extremely cheap electricity and water, which it uses in vast amounts). At the same time, they have become WORLD LEADERS in their field, absolutely brilliant at what they do. They are hardly the best poster child for a government-spoiled company or industry.

Guy

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My boss tells me "bonus is for employee who is doing extra than their work and working 9-6 is my duty and nothing worthy of a bonus "

And it was after a year I realized that working extra means staying at office after your off time playing on phone or send unnecessary emails to boss showing u r working . I will try it this year

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At least the SOB told you straight. :slight_smile:

I don’t work for Taiwanese now, hopefully ever again.

Some big companies are worth to work for, but the smaller companies…arghhhhh. And if they control your visa it’s worse.

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Sure, and Taiwan gains a lot from TSMC. Is big win win story for Taiwan.
However TSMC isn’t crucial by importance to American or any other foreign government. Expect top American talent will go out of their way to work for TSMC is ridiculous.
And if they have those difficulties in USA, Germany and rest of Europe will be pure nightmare.

This is probably true. But others with greater knowledge of labour markets could definitely say more about this than I can.

Guy

Taiwanese companies come in two flavors in my experience. Companies that pay decent wages but work you like a slave and companies that offer decent working conditions but pay you slave wages. That’s why I’d never work for a Taiwanese company again either.

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Finance is one of the categories for the gold card, i got it with that thanks to my experience in fintech.

TAIWAN DEARLY NEEDS MORE SPECIALISED AND COMPETENT FINANCIAL PROFESSIONALS. rn is middle age here for the banking and financial sector, even for citizens tbh

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PRC’s kinda its own class. Communism, authoritarianism, middle-income country, they can afford a shrinking population…

What??? They absolutely cannot, they r the country which can afford that the least.

They will implode with no one working and too many on pension. And since they don’t have a huge service sector adding lots of value with little capital/input, they’ll just stop working. Then virtually no savings, all in debt both private and public.

It’s puzzling how u could say that.

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Taiwan makes it easy to come here and spend money. You can stay and live here forever as long as you have somewhere to live, the cost of which you have to cover yourself of course.

That’s far from “making it easy to immigrate” though. Path to citizenship is effectively closed. Assuming you’re not ethnically East Asian, you’ll always be an outsider in this society. And every day of your life as a foreigner here you’ll encounter issues to which the most practical solution is to have a Taiwanese friend handle them for you instead. All that even if you know Chinese, otherwise it’s going to be more difficult yet.

Sorry to burst your bubble but I think this needs a reality check.

European (EU) countries generally provide healthcare to legal foreign residents, regardless of their employment status. It might not be free but then neither is it in Taiwan, you need to pay a monthly premium too.

As an EU/EEA national you can move between countries without having to complete any paperwork. Anyway, is being exempt from a one-time background and health check really such a big deal? Of course, screening for tuberculosis or parasites in people coming here from countries with near-zero incidence of such diseases is just redundant, and they should do away with it altogether, so it’s a step in the right direction.

What r u talking about? Anyone can apply for naturalisation in TW provided they satisfy the requirements, which are much lower than many other countries. I do agree the renunciation mandate is iniquitous and indeed I challenged it with the Control Yuan, but no one is barring u to apply. It is a free choice, it is ur right to apply, there is no duty for the gov to approve or waive and u have no right to be a citizens here.

Srsly not getting it

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I know someone who has the renunciation requirement waived, but he has cultural contribution to Taiwan.

I think you’ve answered yourself:

That’s why I wrote: effectively.

If I said “Path to citizenship is technically wide open” would that feel better?

companies that are top financial wealth arent there based solely on product. the behind the scenes is just as important as the marketed image, sometimes moreso.

Effectively is not closed, it’s like u arrive here and want tw driving licence conversion without taking the physical exam. U r not satisfying a requirement.

So it’s not effectively closed at all, it is just very incovenient.

Have u done anything to correct this? I did, I made a human right appeal for discrimination against nationals (not foreigners) to the control yuan.

But yeah, I still don’t get it man.

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