Tigerman, this is for you. 
bad experiment.
Only 3 dogs hardly a good statistical example. Still probably true. Pit bulls were not created for their bite power alone. A wolf probably has a stronger bite than most pit bulls, as do rottweilers. But a rottweiler wonât continue to enthusiatically fight with one leg hanging off as UNFORTUNATELY some pit bulls are know to have done. Pit bulls were bred to be game not to bite the hardest. They were designed (selected) to kill other animals not people. They also make crappy guard dogs as they are too people friendly and also do not respond well to the release command from the handler. Rottweilers are easier to train to do guard work ie attack, release blah blah
Yeah, I know. I was just baiting Tigerman. 
Well, sure, small sample sizes donât make good experiments. So little has been proven here. Anyway, as much depends on the dog as the breed in my opinion.
But on average Iâd still put my money on the Rotts. Weight counts for something too. Knockdown power and all that. My parents have 2.5 Rottweilers, and I have a great deal of respect for one of them, Gunter, whoâs male, stocky, muscular, and weighs significantly more than Dragonbabe. Pit bulls may have the reputation of not letting go, but so does Gunter. Heâs very aggressive, and killed the neighborsâ dog. My parents were there and were unable to beat him away or command him to stop. My brother wonât let him near his kids, and I donât think Iâll let him near Dragonbabe when we visit, either.
Even after I spent a couple days with my family, during which he should have recognized me as one of them, he still growled at me in a âmost people would piss their pantsâ kinda menacing way.
Well, Gunter did a good job killing the neighborsâ dog, and refused to respond to his release command in the process. So like I say, it depends on the dog. And the training. I doubt my parents trained him as rigorously as I would have.
English Mastiffs are cooler than Rottiâs. They are much more gentle and good with kids.
My memories of Rottiâs are of them being very aggro. I used to get chased by the neighborâs over aggressive Rotts (a pair) until we hit the line for our property. Then Brit (our English mastiff) would chase them off. Eventually they got into a fight where one of the Rotts was killed. The neibor wanted compensation but my dad told them to f-off as the fight happend on my front yard.
Her size means that if I teased her too long, she would just roll over onto my arm and trap me. She also used to drag me on occasion around the yard by my sleeve - or drag me holding onto her choke collar. But she was never aggressive unless some other dog or person was a) threatening myself or my sister b) on our property (usually doing a)
The 90-100kg and black face meant that all she had to do was bark to get peopleâs attention. More than once I abused this to trap a baby sitter in the bathroom while Gully, (our male mastiff) held the boyfriend off at the gate. 
A dog that really scares me is the Giant Schnauser. Just too aggro and testing your authority too much.
I have a ⊠thing ⊠that we think is part Rott:
She is ungodly strong. At five months old or so when I played tug-of-war with her she was able to drag me /and the chair I was sitting on/ across the room, despite being on polished tile with no real grip.
Well, sure. But, as a breed, a true American Pit Bull Terrier is regarded and acknowledged as the most fiercely game dog on the planet. There is a reason that Rottis were not faught with Pits, and why people stopped fighting virtually all other breeds once APBTâs were introduced.
On average, youâd lose your money.
Rottis are wonderful dogs. But, while they may be stubborn about letting go, that isnât the test. The test is whether or not they are game to continue when they are near dead or otherwise seriously injured. No breed has the reputation for gameness that the APBT has (well, possibly one other breed in Japan). Moreover, Pits are being bred much larger today. Its not uncommon to see a male Pit 120 lbs. The video Moaman linked to showed a smaller Pit.
Yes. But, heâs just one dog.
Again, thatâs just one dog. And it seems like he was not in any danger during his attack. The test, again, is whether he would be willing to fight even if it meant losing his life or limb/s.
Actually, good Pits did respond well to release commands⊠when Pits were faught and bred for fighting, dogs that would not release were culled to keep their genes out of the pool.
They used to hunt bears with APBTs, but had to stop. The pits were getting killed, because rather than simply corner the bears, they insisted on attacking them. They were of course no match for bears.
Hereâs a story from my hometown paper today:
[quote][url=http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06361/749294-100.stm]Pittsburgh police early this morning had to shoot a pit bull after they said it shook off an entire canister of pepper spray and the impact of several bricks hurled at it.
Just before midnight, Officer James Goga responded to a report of a âlarge pit bullâ that was sitting on a chair, growling and barking, next to the front door of a womanâs house on Steuben Street in the West End. The 57-year-old woman couldnât get in, and the dog growled at anyone who approached but refused to move.
âThe contents of one can of pepper spray was deployed on the dog,â Officer Goga reported. âThis was ineffective and only caused the dog to lick its face.â
The impact of two bricks only caused the dog to growl some more. A special deployment unit then arrived to try to remove the dog, but when officers moved in it jumped up and came at them aggressively. Officer Goga then shot it in the chest, killing it.
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Pittsburgh police early this morning had to shoot a pit bull after they said it shook off an entire canister of pepper spray and the impact of several bricks hurled at it.
Just before midnight, Officer James Goga responded to a report of a âlarge pit bullâ that was sitting on a chair, growling and barking, next to the front door of a womanâs house on Steuben Street in the West End. The 57-year-old woman couldnât get in, and the dog growled at anyone who approached but refused to move.
âThe contents of one can of pepper spray was deployed on the dog,â Officer Goga reported. âThis was ineffective and only caused the dog to lick its face.â
The impact of two bricks only caused the dog to growl some more. A special deployment unit then arrived to try to remove the dog, but when officers moved in it jumped up and came at them aggressively. Officer Goga then shot it in the chest, killing it.
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While Iâm sure this dog was improperly trained, and not well treated (if the Pittsburg owners are anything like the owners Iâve seen in Philthydelphia), this is why Iâd never have a pit bull in the house.
Probably there are 3-4 dogs Iâd hesitate to own:
- Giant Schnauser - too aggressive
- Pit Bull - same
- Jack Russel - overbed & insane
- Labs or Golden Retrievers - overbred
This re dog fighting from ASPCA
[quote=âASPCAâ][url=ASPCA | American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals]The development of the modern sport as practiced in Europe, North and South America can be clearly traced to 1835, when bull-baiting was banned in England. After the ban, the owners of âbulldogsââused up until then to bait bulls, bears and other animalsâturned to staging fights between their dogs to satisfy their blood lust. The largest, heaviest bull dogs were soon crossed with smaller, quicker terriers to produce the âbull terriersâ who became the fountainhead of todayâs prominent fighting breeds. Staffordshire Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers and Pit Bull Terriers all hail from this ancestry. Commonly, dogs who fall into this broad class are identified as pit bulls.
It is important to understand that not just any dog can be trained to fight. Much like herding dogs, trailing dogs and other breeds selected for particular roles, fighting dogs are born ready for the training that will prepare them to succeed in the pit. Staged fights are not the same as the flare-ups seen in dog runs or sometimes among dogs in the same home. Much like the fights among their wolf ancestors, most fights among dogs end quickly, with one individual submitting to the other. The winner typically accepts the submission signal of rolling over, and ends the encounter with no further violence. Subsequent encounters between these two individuals frequently involve no more than a highly stylized ballet of positions and expressions that reconfirm their relationship.
To breed successful fighting dogs, this aspect of their behavior had to be eliminated. Fighting dogs will continue to attack, regardless of the submission signals of an opponent. Similarly, these dogs will continue to fight even though badly injured. Gamenessâa dogâs willingness or desire to fightâis the most admired trait in fighting dogs.
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Supposedly, this is the only breed equal in gameness to the APBT:
Many people believe that the Japanese Tosa Inu is actually superior to the APBT. Tosas are much larger than APBTs.
My shark could take on any of those dogs (in the water at least).
Yeah, whatever!
Just try taking your shark for a walk.
Haha!
[quote=âTigermanâ]Supposedly, this is the only breed equal in gameness to the APBT:
Many people believe that the Japanese Tosa Inu is actually superior to the APBT. Tosas are much larger than APBTs.
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Not even close to a âfast laneâ pit bull. Tosas are disqualified if they make a noise or bite too much. It is all about wrestling. Tosa fighting is legal in Japan. They wrestle and if the fight gets too bloody it is stopped. Just big cumbersome lumps of shite. 
It is legal in some parts of Japan and it is avialable to watch on the internet. Totaly boring and very tame that is why it is legal in some areas. Incidentally fighting with pit bulls is completely illegal in Japan.
Most pit bulls are curs as are most other dogs. i.e. they run away when they are losing or roll over and submit (like normal dogs).
Only even a very few pit bulls are âgameâ. That is why they can cost thousands of dollars or on the other hand u can get one for free.
So doesnât surprise me that a pit bull can lose to a rottweiler. However you wonât find a champion pit bull wandering around in the streets, or off a chain in a back garden.
I know this as my cousins were regretably involved in this âsportâ. They got arrested. It is not a romantic event. It can make you vomit. Dogs bred and manipulated by breeding to go against their instincts to run. To carry on fighting with a leg dangling and it hopping on three legs with its tail still wagging. Or fighting with a hole in its chest with blood spurting out. In professional circles the dogs are not forced to fight, they want to fight. This is because they have been manipulated by human breeders to become un-dog like. They donât have to be given a blood lust by baiting with other animals etc. It is in their genes. Fighting when winning is easy any big dog can do that. it is carrying on when maimed or badly losing that makes a few pit bulls different to other dogs. Nothing much about bite power or beating fellow neighborhood curs.
Dog fighting will in general make any normal man or woman feel sick and disgusted. I think it is unpleasant, but each to their own i guess.
As for rottweilers, well the one in the movie the Omen was great. Great dogs i like them.
Heh - the Rottweiler in the Omen (2006 version) looked about as menacing as a kitten. 
Elegua, no labs because theyâre âoverbred?â How so? No more overbred than any other popular breed. Unless youâre talking about puppymill breeding, in which case it still doesnât hold water, because ALL puppymill breeders are indiscriminate.
Labs are great. As are springer spaniels, which I used to train and are also very popular gundogs where Iâm from and hence also extensively bred.
And anyone who doesnât like Jack Russells is just a beast of the field, pure and simple. Theyâre great little dogs and anyway, shoes and other destroyable things are vastly overrated.
[quote=âsandmanâ]Elegua, no labs because theyâre âoverbred?â How so? No more overbred than any other popular breed. Unless youâre talking about puppymill breeding, in which case it still doesnât hold water, because ALL puppymill breeders are indiscriminate.
Labs are great. As are springer spaniels, which I used to train and are also very popular gundogs where Iâm from and hence also extensively bred.
And anyone who doesnât like Jack Russells is just a beast of the field, pure and simple. Theyâre great little dogs and anyway, shoes and other destroyable things are vastly overrated.[/quote]
Plus, there is apparently a great deal of difference between American Labs and English labs. The English Labs are apparently much easier to train and are more calm, while the American Lab can come with all sorts of issues, which are best dealt with in a large field/stream and exercize.
Well, thatâs at least according to what is stated in the book, Marley & Me.
Itâs very easy to end up with labs and retreivers that have issues. Weâve had two - one had hip issues and the other had skin issues - imagine a retreiver that shouldnât go swimming - itâs pure torture for the dog. Both also had some behavioral issues, despite careful training and treatment, where I did not trust them fully with my children. Both came from âreputableâ breeders. This is opposed to our mastiffs which all lived to 13-15yrs, with none of those problems until the very end, who put up with years of âtortureâ from myself and my sister with nary a complaint.
Itâs also easy to end up with a Jack russel in the US that has issues. I know they are high strung, but many of the dogs have nervous disorders.
BTW, I love Terriers, having raised a Wire Hair. His name was âMr. OâMalleyâ (not sure what my parents were trying to say).
Oh well, sounds like it must be a difference between US and Brit breeds, because I donât recognize the kind of labs youâre describing. Alsatians, dobermans and such are the ones that are plagued by dysplasia and things in Britland, not labs. Maybe because there are relatively few labs bred for the pet market there â theyâre pretty much exclusively working dogs, as are the springers, as are the Russells. Probably makes a big difference.
Yeah Jack russels are awesome dogs. I had a friend that bred working lines of them in Boston (Boston England).
Not sure of the different types though as I used to own bull terrier types.
I know there are shot hair and long hair, Parsons etc. However among people that still work them, there are quite a few working strains and lines.
Very good ratting dogs. For rat catching they are probably the best! Most of the other terrier breeds have gone so far down the show route and they have lost most of their killer instincts. Most terriers in Taiwan have none of that snappy hyper active temprement. (ones i have seen anyway).
Allâs I knows is if yer ferret kills underground and you got no Jack Russell, you better have either a LOT of patience or else a strong back and a big shovel.