Yet another mass shooting in the US

As far as I know, yup.

As for the “folks” discussion, not bias as much as simultaneous sloppy reading and watching footy. Lol

No, I do not think you were referring to child abuse with the folks comment. My apologies! :bowing:

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hey no problem. i’d ask who you’re rootin for but i wouldn’t know who it was if you told me anyway :slight_smile:

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Blue!

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of course you are. as a ride or die Red! fan, this makes perfect sense…

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Sorry, you do have experience that they don’t exist? I understand that you have experience of typical drag shows.

I’ll look in a bit. Still just waking up and in bed. I should try to go back to sleep :slight_smile:

Maybe. See below, maybe we have our signals crossed a bit.

No, It was an “all ages drag show”. To be clear where I’m coming from here, if drag queens can tone down their act enough to read books to kids in a school or a library, they can do the same in a toned down show, right?

By family friendly I don’t in any way mean the kind of highly sexual drag show you describe above, of course. We might be talking about apples and oranges here. If I’m wrong about this I’ll happily admit it.

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What you are doing is absurd, the US only has two major parties which means half the country either votes Republican or democrat.

We don’t start looking at the voting patterns of relatives of those who carry out violent acts, murders, rapes and so on to look for clues as to why they committed a heinous crime. Because it would be absurd.

Think about what you are doing. You just quoted his grandfather who lives in another state who voiced an opinion on Jan 6th as if it had any relevance to the very sad and tragic mass murder that just took place.

We don’t know why the shooter did what he did, it was a terrible thing and the families of those of he killed are in mourning and nothing will bring back those he killed.

But have you thought abut what are you doing and why are you doing it?

Not a timeout, just a post removed which we then talked about and agreed to remove that joking comment. The “we” part wasn’t made clear, so the intent was unclear.

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He was closest to his grandparents. The bomb threat for which he was arrested was retaliation over his grandparents wanting to move to Florida. At the very least, this boy should never been close to a gun but the home environment shows that he had easy access.

The alleged Colorado nightclub shooter wanted to be “the next mass killer” – and whined that their grandparents’ plans to move down south would ruin a plot to build a bomb, according to records from a previous arrest.

It wasn’t the first cause of concern for Aldrich, whose grandparents said had made “homicidal threats” toward them and others. At a family meeting about the planned move, Aldrich loaded a gun in view of them and told them “you guys die today.

I could ask you the same question. There is a culture of violence in the US that some of us have personal experience with. Admitting there is a problem is the first step to solving it.

You are asking the question of me? I am hoping you might have a moment of self reflection, here’s our old pal Glenn Greenwald explaining what you and others are doing, we’ve seen it before.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595541491069423616
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595542531802021889
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595543574036226051
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595544712403886095
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595546034570235906
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595547050103414803
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595548301939580944
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1595549648801996800

That’s what you are doing and why you are doing it, even if you don’t understand it yet.

Is any part of this statement incorrect? I don’t need you tell me what I’m doing. I just told you.

I agree with that. Of course there’s a problem with violence in the US and guns in particular.

Apparently you do, or let’s go to Glenn for some more choice quotes on what the media is doing in the wake of this shooting.

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1596228423227420672
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1596229201064927238
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1596230049031950336

Now take a minute to reflect before your next posting, that’s exactly what you and others have been doing in the wake of this shooting.

I’ve said my piece and am done. You may have an “ah ha” moment or just carry on as you were before. Either way, have a good day.

Like I said, I don’t think you understand what you are doing or why you are doing it.

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I don’t need more Twitter thank you. Nor do I care what the “media” is doing. You downplayed all the connections to extremists encouraging violence in this kid’s life. Perhaps you can reflect on why you’re doing that. I’ll spare you the Twitter spam.

I’m not the one implying cause and effect when it comes to the shooters motives, I am not even saying you’re wrong, I’m saying it’s best to wait until the facts come out.

Unless of course you already hate certain people, in which case go ahead and blame them for the massacre, if that makes you happy, or if it makes any sense to you.

But to the less invested and less eager to score political points, it won’t come off as smart or as intelligent as you might think, perhaps has the opposite effect. Just saying.

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How about we stick to the statements I’ve made instead of what you think I’m implying? Are there any statements I’ve made you feel are incorrect?

The environment that someone grows up in can have a significant impact on the decisions they make.
Mental illness also has an impact. Does that make MTG directly responsible for mass murder? No it does not.

I can see what you are doing with the way you couch your words. MTG is not “directly responsible for mass murder” but she may be indirectly responsible for mass murder. :wink:

It’s also a double standard the left and media apply without reflection. In the case of Kyle Rittenhouse they spent years decrying him as a mass murderer and white supremacist. Anyone who watched the video would come away with a strong sense of he may have acted in self defense.

Yet on the heels of his acquittal a guy drives his car into a parade of people killing and maiming scores of people. Is there any reflection that the hype the media and the left drove around this guy bonkers and may have caused someone to commit mass murder?

We won’t ever know the answer to that,

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Is it impossible for you to stick with the statements a person has made and not extrapolate everything the media, the left, or whoever has said onto them? I’ve not said anything about Kyle Rittenhouse.

If there are any statements I’ve made that you feel are incorrect, then feel free to call that out and discuss on the merits. Otherwise, you can continue to argue with whomever it is you are targeting with your projections.

Yeah, there was an all ages drag brunch that afternoon.

A quick Google search on “all ages drag show” shows that this is a thing.

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Well then, what’s more important? The freedom of drag queens to well do whatever or the health and safety of fans and bystanders?

Are the people, adults and kids, offerings to the god of freedom of speech? If these things bring out the crazies, maybe don’t invite kids. :idunno:

Who’s got the onus?

Freedom :slight_smile: As long as it’s legal, presumably within standards set for the protection of minors, or not somehow demonstrably inappropriate for them, I don’t see how it’s even a question. They can do it and people can take their family or not take them if they want.

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So, no crotch pointing?

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