LOL, so you say that fascists and antifascists are the same because of Mao. Cool. Or may be that Communism is the same or worse than Fascism because Mao.
Well, don’t forget a modest little guy named Stalin. They’re both obviously messed up systems, but communism had more staying power (because more insidious), giving it more time to do its damage. Everybody got together to defeat fascism in one fell swoop, but communism is taking a lot longer.
Free speech is free right up until it costs someone something. Hate Speech that even remotely suggests violence has to be a crime, maybe even half as serious as getting caught with a nickel bag.
I should be able to say I hate Chick Filet and wish they would go out of business, but to suggest burning one down should get me some community service at the very least (or force fed Chick Filet in the extreme).
This isn’t even about free speech with me. It’s about not learning a god damn thing about the evils that happened about 70 years ago. defend them with their right to free speech all you want, doesn’t make you less of a morally bankrupt piece of shit even if it’s protected by the law.
It’s interesting how you criticize an ideology criticizing its tyrants. Are we talking here about ideas and motivations or about history? I’m no advocate for Communism ideas (not all) nor history, but what you guys are doing is called demagogy.
Exactly the opposite claim has turned up here (in another thread), maybe a week ago. Not the first time I reckon. The idea is to emphasize the Socialism part instead of the Nationalism part.
You have no idea how difficult it is to convince people here, bosses mainly, of that fact. “Yes, we got 100 replies, of which 99.9 are angry rebutes and criticism for that racist stupidity you put up. Would you be so kind as to take it down?” “Oh no! But we got so many replies! It is fine!”
I can see the bosses reaction: wow, so many people talking about us! So much free publicity!
Ive already stated that I’m Jewish. As a German, you think you could give that kind of humour a miss please? Its disgusting, immature and has nothing to do with the conversation. Grow up Man!
If you want to talk history, how about the 20th century? There are many ways to assess these two ideologies, but total deaths caused is a convenient way to keep score. Total deaths under communist regimes: 94 million; total deaths under fascist regimes: 28 million.
I remember a couple of Communist leaders who weren’t tyrants.
There was Alexander Dubček:
(I was 14 at the time, and considered myself a Communist. A friend of mine (who was not a Communist, but thought Dubček was cool) borrowed his brother-in-law’s Czechoslovak flag, and he and I held a brief two-person march in protest of the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Nobody noticed. )
And there was Mikhail Gorbachev, who is associated with the collapse of the Soviet Union:
I don’t know, maybe there are other Communist non-tyrants. Those are just the ones I can recall.
To be clear, I wasn’t the one who steered the discussion towards a comparison of fascism and communism. I don’t think either label really applies to most of the people involved in the protest and counter-protest in Charlottesville.
On one side you have alt-right types, white supremacists, plus small contingents of neo-Nazis and KKKers. Idiots? Yes. Racist douchebags? Yes. Fascists? Not really. On the other side you have AntiFa, Black Lives Matters activists, etc. These aren’t “concerned activist citizens,” but rather extreme leftist groups there to cause trouble (and in the case of AntiFa to incite and actively take part in violence). Communists? Not really.
I think all the groups involved deserve condemnation, but I find it puzzling that the mainstream media and Democratic leadership in Virginia had nothing at all to say about AntiFa, a group that shows up consistently with one goal in mind–violent confrontation with their political enemies.