Here you go:
They just won’t frickin’ leave.
He was making a comparison with Quebec. Ever been there? 
They just won’t frickin’ leave.
R: Help! My roommate refuses to leave! 
I asked him what he wants to do, and he said he’s tired of living in the spare bathroom and wants a full bedroom. Such arrogance! 
Y: Did you actually ask him to leave?
R: Um, no. 
What’s the result?
Haven’t they done the math yet?
The result, according to the local government, is that 90% of voters support independence, so they will attempt a unilateral independence declaration today or tomorrow.
The fact that they didn’t respect the Constitution, the Constitutional Tribunal resolutions, the Spanish law, THEIR OWN referendum laws, the legal procedures, and the 2/3 rules… none of that matters to them. They say that their “referendum” had all the legal guarantees xD
BUT they have won in some way: they were looking for the pictures in the international media, and they got them. They were told many times that the voting wouldn’t be allowed and the central government sent thousands of riot policemen. There was tension. They knew what riot police does and they told them to bring kids… so they did so, so the pictures would be more pathetic. There’s a video of a policeman convincing a stupid reckless father of NOT entering with his kid to an area where there was already some sort of police - demonstrators confrontation. Fucktard…
Now their argument of being The Chosen People being oppressed by the Evil Spaniards has some graphical documents.
And the funny thing is that what happened yesterday is not different of what happens when the riot police acts at the end of a football match where there’s tension. Riot police specializes in putting an end to demonstrations, and this was one, an illegal one. I do not like what happened, but the pro independence politicians and people knew it would happen: they just wanted the pictures. The local police (Mossos) disobeyed the commands to prevent people to enter the schools and didn’t help the national police to refrain masses.
Now that the situation is worsening it’s even more difficult to find a solution to this. The claims of the local government in Catalonia are not fair, have no legal base, no base of any kind. They have been asking for more and more control over their region and they have more competences than many other regions. They are professional whiners. However the central government has upset local people and the pro independence movement is stronger, and some international media show the “horrible violence that Spain is using against Catalonia (!) to stop them just from voting”.
No easy solution.
If you look at Irish history our first parliamentary vote was also illegal and so was the first dail (parliament).
That was because the British government kept blocking the peaceful home rule movement for decades. So things took an ugly turn and then Ireland became independent anyway because the general population turned against the British authorities.
It’s not about legal or illegal. It’s about people wanting self determination for their land, culture and people.
The Catalans and Catalonia certainly have a strong case for becoming an independent nation if that’s what the people want, the same with the Kurds by the way!
Spanish government has handled things extremely badly. They should let the Catalans have an open vote.
Busing in police and army types from other parts of Spain feels like an occupation. We don’t want to see that in the EU.
The immigration statistics would disagree with you (unless you’re just making a statement of personal preference).
It’s not their land, it’s as theirs as mine. I suspect that the history of Catalonia differs greatly from Ireland.
No, they don’t. There’s a legal way of doing it, and they haven’t followed it. What’s their argument again?
You can see it in that way, but it’s not an occupation: it’s national territory, and the local politicians are committing sedition, with the help of the local (political) police. And violence between in riots and from police riots is not new. Are you that naive?
This argument is especially funny too. During the 15-M (as well as many other times) the LOCAL police (Mossos) were using violence against pacific demonstrators. Indeed, the Mossos are famous in Spain for being brutal. Now a riots police intervention is seeing as something exceptional… LOL.
Actually the history of Ireland was that it has had 800 years as part of British crown lands (not 300 like Calalonia).
So one could say that legally speaking Ireland had less of a case than Catalonia to secede?
Legally speaking means sweet fuck all over the course of history though as laws and concepts of human rights change over time. Lets not hide behind legal speak.
As far as I can see they haven’t been given the option to have a legal referendum on self determination (unlike say, Scotland in the UK).
I don’t think you can claim it’s ‘your land’ and think that’s some kind of reasonable argument against peoples wish to exercise self determination and self rule.
If you want to go down that route of using force from outsiders on locals then they have a right to use force back to protect themselves.
What’s “better” for any given person depends on a lot of things. 
But as for statistics, that’s an ironic claim to make right now. The tens (or is it hundreds?) of thousands of asylum seekers who have entered Canada so far this year have mostly arrived from the US. I’m not aware of a corresponding movement in the opposite direction.
Catalonia was never an independent country, nation, or anything. 
Now you are just being ridiculous.
In those 300 years, how many Cromwell types did they meet? Just asking.
Countries use laws for organizing themselves. The separatists haven´t even followed THEIR OWN CUSTOM MADE LAWS.
What are you talking about.
UK did it when the central government decided it. Does Spain have to do it… when? when you say so? And again, there are LEGAL means in Spain for cellebrating that referendum.
It is, because it´s a problem that concerns the whole nation. How many countries in the World allow their regions to vote their independence whenever they want, in whatever way they want? Also, you make it sound like everybody living in Catalonia wishes for independence when the results of the last local elections, and the public poll re this topic say otherwise (less than a 50%, for God’s sake…)
LOL. what outsiders? what police operates in ALL the territory. The local police (like many other local institutions), controlled by local politicians, has undergone changes recently, changing the chief for another more “patriotic”. This local police hasn’t followed what the Constitutional Tribunal in Catalonia has told them to do! Indeed, eventually this local police said that they were going to close down where voting centers… only to tell last minute the national police that they couldn´t do it and needed help to do so. And this creates the situation that you, somebody from outside Spain and who doesn’t know what is happening there, sees as an occupation. Go figure…
Who and why?
Hardly ironic. Those numbers are just a drop in the bucket. And if they were stronger swimmers, they wouldn’t necessarily have arrived from the U.S. 
Because the idea of ‘nation states’ for many parts of Europe is still fairly new.
History of Germany as a good example or the Austra-Hungarian empire. How about Sweden, Norway and Denmark ?
Would you say that Germany shouldn’t be a country because it wasn’t a country before?
You’re missing the point. It’s not just transit through the US but life in the US that they’re giving up on. Shouldn’t you be bragging about it? “See, Donnie gets results!” 
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No, you’re missing the point. In any case, the long term trend is more immigration to the U.S. than Canada–partly because of America’s larger, stronger economy, and partly because of that nasty Canadian weather. After Donnie’s two terms, immigration policy will likely change again (and there will probably be a catacomb of tunnels under that big, beautiful wall).
You should have a larger economy with ten times the population and all that habitable land, and therefore you should attract more migrants (whether you want to keep them or not). That’s natural. What’s unnatural is the Canadian military having to get involved because the influx is suddenly out of proportion.
Also, violent clashes at the border that are not smugglers vs. police but anti-immigrant protesters vs. pro-immigrant protesters (or vs. the immigrants themselves).
Thanks for helping make my point. 