100 Persons hired by the gov this week seek out kindergarten

Work Teaching English in Taiwan
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I’m pretty sure with the DPP-appointed MOE, the mother tongue is only reluctantly Chinese and most assuredly not Hakka, for the love of God not Hakka.

Interesting how so many foreigners on Forumosa are so pro-本土化, but when it actually comes to a specific 本土化 policy… C’mon, Bu Lai En, aren’t you one of those people who support the Taiwanization of Taiwan? How can you have a Taiwanese Taiwan if the students are learning English before the age of 6? :noway:

English buxibans are for KMT surrender monkeys.

/being a troll

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[quote=“Bassman”][quote=“ImaniOU”]

You have to be 18 to drink alcohol or drive a car, 16 to buy cigarettes (?), and 6 to learn English.

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And what is the punishment if you learn English before the legal age? They deport your English Teacher, that’s what they do. :noway:[/quote]

What punishment? There is no punishment for driving under 18 (at least none that deters it around here) and…well, you know the drill (a law that is enforced spottily is really not a law at all)…

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[quote=“alidarbac”][English buxibans are for KMT surrender monkeys.

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So, what is it that you do?

A drug runner, pimp, male prostitute, engineer,or what???

If the Taiwanese can’t speak English how can they call up the U.S for help, eh?

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I don’t know where the idea that bentuhua is related to the MOE’s policy on this issue. The policy smacks of old-fashioned cultural conservatism and catering to special interest groups. Remember that PFP legislators were closely involved in the original case in the Control Yuan.

The MOE is highly conservative, and most of these policies are set by career bureaucrats, not by elected officials. I would be curious to know what policies in Japan are on this issue. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Taiwan is copying them.

And a minor point on terminology–strictly speaking bentuhua refers to the Taiwanization of the civil service, military, and teaching professions.

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Is “bentuhua” an official government policy ? Preventing kids learning a foreign language from a young age is simply xenophobia, nothing else. Or maybe the Taiwanese government simply thinks Taiwanese kids are too stupid to learn more than one language at once. Either way it’s a nonsense. Crucial issue here is finding the money in this one (cherchez la hongbao). Who’s making the bucks out of this mad policy ? Not bushiban laobans, and not teachers. Confusing.

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Perhaps Taiwan wants to be like France. MOE is like the new French Academy (L’Acad

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Hi Imaniou, this thread seems to be meandering OT-any pruning needed?

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[quote]Quote:
Let’s assume for a moment that we accept this argument. Even if we do, it doesn’t work, for the reason that we can’t define the mother tongue. What is the mother tongue of Taiwanese students? Mandarin, Taiwanese, Hakka, or in a few cases something else.

I’m pretty sure with the DPP-appointed MOE, the mother tongue is only reluctantly Chinese and most assuredly not Hakka, for the love of God not Hakka.

Interesting how so many foreigners on Forumosa are so pro-本土化, but when it actually comes to a specific 本土化 policy… C’mon, Bu Lai En, aren’t you one of those people who support the Taiwanization of Taiwan? How can you have a Taiwanese Taiwan if the students are learning English before the age of 6?

English buxibans are for KMT surrender monkeys. [/quote]

I guess you were joking with this post, but:

You’re suggesting that forbidding the teaching of English to pre-schoolers is part of localisation (and Feiren is right, benduhua means promotion of bendiren in the cicil service, government, KMT etc, not promotion of Taiwanese identity - a little bit different). Actually, I’m guessing that it’s more a holdover of the old ‘Chinese first’ policy. I can almost see that official saying:

“Children can not learn English until their Mandarin is learnt properly”

(aide whispers) “sir, these days we’re suppossed to be promoting Taiwanese and Hakka, not just Mandarin”

“Children can not learn English until their mother tongue is learnt properly”.

Reason being, that this policy really only makes sense when you assume that the vast majority of children share the same mother tongue that will be taught in all schools. The MOE is bumbling along with a policy that doesn’t account for the fact that children are speaking a number of different languages, and their parents have quite different priorites about what languages they wish their children to learn.

When it comes down to it, it must be the parents’ choice. If the MOE wants to prescribe what languages are taught in public kindergartens and schools, fine, but they certainly should not be forbidding parents using private schools if public schools fail to provide the education they want for their children.

Brian

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[quote]When it comes down to it, it must be the parents’ choice. If the MOE wants to prescribe what languages are taught in public kindergartens and schools, fine, but they certainly should not be forbidding parents using private schools if public schools fail to provide the education they want for their children.

Brian
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:bravo:
I would much rather have my children learning Taiwanese than Mandarin but that is not possible.

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I’m almost broke; does that mean I will get a Good Conduct Badge?

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it’s true, the police are on a rampage, guns included.
had friends that were busted while on a field trip in da-an park.
coming out with a 5 years black list…ouch
mostly the big schools are being targeted. e.i. happy marian, hess, kojen…
i say, make those red envelopes bigger

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[quote=“drews”]it’s true, the police are on a rampage, guns included.
had friends that were busted while on a field trip in Da’an park.
coming out with a 5 years black list…ouch
mostly the big schools are being targeted. e.i. happy marian, hess, kojen…
I say, make those red envelopes bigger[/quote]

Guns drawn? Gimme a break. Where are u getting your info from?

ToeScoffs

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unfortunately some have a hard time reading; was anything said about a cop pulling out his firearm?
the scoop is, instead of tweedle dee and tweedle dum running around with a camera trying to catch you in the act, they’re simply going to schools or meeting schools on field trips and escorting english teachers back to their offices with the help of two(or more) uniformed police officers.
and for the friends, they’re back home making their appeal.
ps, talk to your school’s manager, i’m sure they’ve been told of the new crack-down.

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How could I have possibly misread…I am so dense, I must be thick enough to stop a bullet.

But thanks for the clarification. Even I know what you mean now.

ToeMocks

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Why is that these periods of MOE activity fall in the school holiday period?
There only ever seems to be talk of action when the schools are not fully open.

Can anybody confirm if there have been any deportations or not?

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Aw, man, I like that expression! I also like, "Teacher, you is. . . " and “my this” and “my these.” Let 100 linguistic flowers blossom!

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[quote=“drews”]unfortunately some have a hard time reading; was anything said about a cop pulling out his firearm?
the scoop is, instead of tweedle dee and tweedle dum running around with a camera trying to catch you in the act, they’re simply going to schools or meeting schools on field trips and escorting English teachers back to their offices with the help of two(or more) uniformed police officers.
and for the friends, they’re back home making their appeal.
ps, talk to your school’s manager, I’m sure they’ve been told of the new crack-down.[/quote]
I think this is a great idea…of course, if you don’t want to be deported, blacklisted, etc. why don’t you just teach legally?
BTW what’s to appeal??? Getting caught? :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

boomer [quote]I would much rather have my children learning Taiwanese than Mandarin but that is not possible. [/quote]
May I ask why? Do you expect them to live here their entire lives?

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Aren’t foreign spouses married to Taiwanese exempt from this anti-foreigner crusade. Technically they should be able to work at any job a Taiwanese can do.

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I believe that’s correct. I also think that this hasn’t occurred to the people coming up with policy, nor the people enforcing it. I would bet a week’s salary that there is no law saying that a foreign national with the same work rights as a Taiwan citizen is precluded form working at kindergarten jobs.

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One of our kindys was raided this morning. It was very kind of Foreign Affairs to call first and tell us they were coming. :laughing: