That is one important thing to consider. I would recommend people naturalizing to just keep old mobile number and contract for a while. Then make a new contract with a new mobile phone number with the new Taiwan ID number.
Then switch over accounts or even register completely new accounts, closing the old ones.
Quite a few banks, businesses use different systems that connect via ID number and those are not designed to be changeable. This often breaks features and connections to other things as the ID on the account does not match. e.g. bank to Line account connection
I experienced this with Easy Wallet that connects to my bank accounts. Once I got the new ID number, the connection between easy wallet and bank account error out. I had to contact them both to update the number, and easy wallet had to manually update the connections as I was not able to remove/recreate them. This took them many moths to fix.
During my changeover from the very old ARC format (Paper type) to the somewhat New ARC format (Same Paper type), my Unique ID Number changed once from F139xxx (One English alphabet followed by 6 digits) to FC0139xxx6 (Two English alphabets followed by 8 digits). They added a âCâ, a Zero and a 6 at the end. The âxxxâ remained the same.
When I changed from ARC to APRC to TARC, the Unique ID number remained the same (FC0139xxx6).
It changed one last time when I got my Taiwanese ID to F16000XXXX
Did you have any issues having it updated in banks, contracts, etc.? Luckily, I did not have any issues updating my ID number at banks, Far East Tone etc.
Did your credit history change over smoothly or did you start over again? Yes, it changed over smoothly. Did not start over again
NHI records? It got carried over to my new ID number.
Yes, this could be the main reason as I had a very smooth transition as Iâm very fluent in Chinese and didnât have any communication issues.
I am starting to realize this more and more. This has helped me become more patient and understanding of Taiwanese even when they screw up my stuff. Some of it is definitely due to misunderstandings because of the language barrier.
I wish I could take regular classes, but I canât due to the work hours. So, I have been studying Chinese on Duolingo and Hello Chinese app every day for the past 3 months consistently. I know life will be much better here if I can become fluent in the language.
When I arrived here in 2001, my chinese was 0 (a âBIGâ Zero!) which means I canât even say the most basic mandarin like âæçććć«Springonionâ. I canât even order the Fillet Chicken at McDonalds without pointing. I was enrolled & studied Chinese at a Language University in Linkou (ćç«ćç性ćž) but it was basically useless as it did nothing to help my conversational & listening skills. During my time there, a few of my friends (Indian Chinese as well) decided to work part time in a Restaurant in Yang Ming Shan to try to improve our Chinese as well as get some income. We all realized our Chinese improved drastically in a few mths time as we had to interact with Taiwanese all the time (our managers, other waiters, staffers and customers only spoke Chinese to us!!)
So I decided to leave my Univ. after about 1.5 years and while still working part time, I decided to look for an Office job in a Taiwanese company and joined the Language training center in Shida just so I can extend my VisaâŠFound the job, quit Shida after a year, got a full time Work permit and the rest is history. Shida was also useless to me as I donât believe anyone can become fluent by learning Chinese that way. Immersing oneself in a totally Chinese environment (talking, speaking and communicating with Chinese speakers) is a guaranteed method of improving oneâs chinese skills. Although my job entails selling mostly to Overseas buyers, I took the initiative to also sell our products domestically, hence I have more chances of using Chinese. After starting my Office job, I also mastered typing in Chinese. Having a Taiwanese gf (my ex) who converses to you mostly in Chinese also helps a lot!
Itâs good to know that it doesnât change from ARC - TARC⊠it would be nice if the NIA posted some factual information though.
Makes my life easier, I will be overseas when (if) my naturalisation gets approved so I wonât have to worry about banks arbitrarily closing my account for not updating my ID number
Yeah! Youâll be just fine, donât worry about that as your ID Number will still be the same. Technically, the TARC is still somewhat like an upgraded ARC so you will still hold onto your âforeignâ UID.
Good luck on your naturalisation! I hope to be amongst the first here to wish you âCongratulationsâ after you have Naturalised.
A few people are questioning my decision to naturalise the day before I semi-permanently leave Taiwan. My answer is having more options is always better than less and who knows when I will be eligible again. I may even change my mind again in the future and move back.
Iâm hoping after I submit my naturalisation application at the HHRO that I can contact the MOI to send my naturalisation certificate and TARC straight to TECO in Melbourne. I donât have high hopes though
When Iâm rich enough to not need to work in Taiwan, Iâll come back as a citizen/national
@justintaiwan Is your marriage ARCâs ID number in the new format (e.g A8(9)xxxxxxxx) or is it in the old format (e.g ACxxxxxxxx)? If you have already updated it to the new format, then your TARC number will be the same. If you havenât updated it as yet, then Iâm afraid NIA will automatically issue you a TARC with a new updated ID number (Iâm not totally sure of this but Iâve seen others whose ID numbers got automatically updated when they were issued with new ARCs when they went in for extension)
Yeah itâs in the new format K80XXXXXXX so it should stay the same. I kind of thought they would change it to K87XXXXXXX where X stays the same just to update you from being a foreigner to NWOHR.
That flyer from NIA probably just means the FIRST time they issue you a number it will be that format. The only time people would move through types is when they naturalise though.
Correct!! Someone who has never held an ARC before or had a Unique ID number and goes straight for Citizenship will have this format on their TARCâ> K8(9)7XXXXXXX
I had the old ID number on my APRC but when I changed to TARC they said it would change to the new format, but it was indeed A87 like that NIA post.
AMEX was the easiest thing to update, both when changing from APRC to TARC and also when changing TARC to TW ID. Others required a bunch of documents and calls. Amex was a single call, and email.
FarEast Tone didnât let me do the change initially because I would lose the âold customerâ status. On a different visit, I was casually talking to the supervisor who said I can change the ID without losing the status, it was done in 5 minutes.
But @frank_hnd 's ARC was in the old format, mine is the new format.
Just one of the many reasons Iâve decided to leave. Doing anything that involves customer service reps here turns me into a right arsehole. They donât want to service customers or donât know how to service customers or both. I donât want to be an arsehole anymore
Itâs hard for me to pinpoint 1 huge reason for leaving. But sooo many small - medium ish reasons combined and I just reached my limit of grievances. Also removing all the negative reasons. My husband has been bugging me to move back for years, my sister has had a baby, and my grandparents are in their 80s now.
Maybe recently, remember in the 1990âs a lot of things were not really computerized or online. I remember when people thought they were cool cause they had a beeper then a motorola brick phone.
I applied with an old APRC number as well and they processed both a new APRC number and TARC number at the same time behind the scenes. The âoriginal ID numberâ on the household registration is the new APRC number, which up until that point I had never even seen before.
I submitted my application today! Nowhere near as complex as Fuzzyâs but I leave Taiwan semi permanently tomorrow so we are not totally confident about the application being approved.
The household registration office in Tongluo, Miaoli was quite happy to help us organise a letter of attorney for my sister in law to pick up my naturalisation certificate and TARC for me, she will post it to me in Australia. This particular women had never done an accompanying TARC application before and always sent applicants to immigration to sort it out themselves. She was quite happy to help though.
@fifieldt mentioned in another post it could be rejected while Iâm overseas due to the police certificates needing to be redone.
BUT I am not required to submit police certificates from Australia as I am applying as the spouse of an ROC citizen with household registration and currently residing on a spouse ARC and provided them my police check way back when. So hopefully this wonât cause any issues
I will apply for my first ROC passport at TECO
So after I receive my TARC and naturalisation certificate, I will renounce my Australian citizenship while in Australia (and become a permanent resident of Australia), then resume my citizenship immediately. Then have the renunciation translated and authenticated by TECO. Fly to Taiwan as a dual national, have the renunciation authenticated by MOFA, then submit it to the HHRO
Non-related but getting NHI to stop our cards due to moving overseas was a nightmare
Congratulations on successfully filing your application. I hope it gets approved. Itâs nice to see others not go through all that nonsense like I did. My wife will apply for naturalization next year. I expect her process to be much smoother than mine since she is married to a Taiwanese.
Well-played! It would be funny if you could walk into the HRO office and show them your Australian passport while submitting your renunciation certificate. I am sure they wonât care. But at least it will highlight how pointless this exercise is.
