2024.8.22 Dual Nationality Petition - Updates Only

I just posted it on my Twitter with some simple instructions on how to sign the petition.

https://x.com/samktaiwan/status/1826899918696710183?s=46

It was 370 an hour ago. 490 now.

We can do this!

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Just officially reached 10%. :+1:

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Starting to have faith…

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They can just like an ROC national can. They need to move back to China then apply to change the Hukou back to China.

What does a Taiwanese look like pray tell? @Fuzzy_Barbecue or @comfy123 or @justintaiwan lol

My wife and I go to a Thai restaurant in Chiayi. Waitress runs to the kitchen to tell the three Thai chefs a woman from Thailand is in the restaurant. They come over only for the waitress and chefs to find out my wife is from Alishan.

Oh well.

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Let’s be accurate with the nomenclature.

Taiwanese is an ethnicity. Taiwanese is a specific type of ROC national. There are different ethnicities that are ROC nationals, including a growing group of white ROC nationals.

Stealing BC’s thunder! :upside_down_face:

Guy

I think you are right to point out Taiwan’s increasing diversity (on top of its existing diversity). It does make nomenclature tricky. Are we talking about nationality or ethnicity?

In this context, I mean people who are going to look like they have the right to vote to a reasonable legislator and member of the public. Apologies if I have offended anyone.

I’m curious. Have you signed the petition? If so, any chance of getting your better half and other voters in your village to do so?

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:writing_hand: :+1:t3:

In my message I wrote that I’ve lived here 16 years and I plan to retire here soon. During that time, I’ve contributed to Taiwan’s taxes and economy, and I would like to have citizenship in order to fully participate in my life here (ie. voting). However, I arrived later in life and, in order to receive my US Social Security to afford retirement, I must retain my US citizenship.
Not sure in anyone else is in a similar situation, but perhaps it’s another angle that hasn’t been brought up.

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Not offended in any way at all. I’ve not even discussed this with my wife. There are people in the area with spouses from abroad including China. My wife has taught Math Chinese and English to several children where one parent is a naturalized immigrant including my son from a previous marriage.

Some people coming to stay at my place today may talk to her about it. They were at the event on Thursday. I do not believe she really cares one way or the other. I was already a citizen here when we met. She knows I have pushed several of our furriner friends to naturalize and stop being foreigners. In the eyes of the law at least as I am constantly told that no matter if you get citizenship here you won’t be accepted as Taiwanese.

Somehow it’s only foreigners who tell me that. :laughing:

I’m not sure that is always correct.

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I just looked it up and you’re absolutely right! That’s what I get for assuming all of these years. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Renouncing US citizenship doesn’t affect your Social Security retirement benefits if you’ve already qualified for SS retirement benefits by working 40 quarters (10 years) while living in the US. If you live in a few red zone countries like North Korea or Cuba your monthly benefits won’t be paid but that’s the only restriction.

If you haven’t yet qualified for SS retirement benefits before you left the US but are still a US citizen and you live in countries with a “totalization agreement” with the US you may be able to meet the 40 quarters requirement while living abroad. Taiwan does not have a totalization agreement with the US though.

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Yesterday the number of signatures hit 700. Now one day later it’s up to 957. 加油!

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I hit the 40 quarters of working in the US a looong time ago, so no totalization agreement needed in my case if I renounce, as @QuaSaShao mentioned.

However, I know how the real world/bureaucracy works. I won’t renounce because I know the process of receiving my payments will be a lot smoother if I remain a citizen. While the Social Security Admin. has a few countries set up to transfer payments smoothly, Taiwan isn’t one of them.

I know of two retired dual citizens (Taiwan and US) who live in Taiwan now. The easiest way for them to receive their US Social Security while in Taiwan is to have it deposited into a US bank, and they simply withdraw it at an ATM here. “Simplicity is beauty” as my mom used to always say.

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The problem isn’t the SSA. The problem is no banks in Taiwan want to handle electronic deposits of SS checks. HSBC Taiwan used to do it for a fee of $5 per month. If any Taiwan bank opted to begin the service it would be smooth sailing.

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20% achieved

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Same for me with my Old Age pension. I will have it paid into my Australian bank account and probably only use the funds in Australia when I visit there from time to time.

Signatures just reached 25%. :partying_face:

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Forward Taiwan Founder and prominent Taiwanese businessman Chu Ping has posted a video supporting the campaign.

1,548 people have signed the petition so far. Seven weeks left before petition closes. 5,000 needed to require government response.

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