I’m lamenting the fact that the petition primarily focuses on the human rights aspect and assurances that nothing bad will happen, but does very little in explaining in concrete terms how Taiwan and ordinary Taiwanese will benefit. This will limit its success. It’s just not in Chinese culture to care beyond one’s nuclear unit.
Lawmakers are skittish to rock the boat and make changes if they think people will complain. A sales pitch with some tangible benefits that ordinary people can understand will help its success when presented to lawmakers.
The fact is, many are going to ask what’s in it for them.
You have to ‘sell the idea’ to them to get them to move.
Sure, but the petition is what is going to be presented to parliamentarians at the end of the day. When all is said and done and it pops onto 110 desks and you’re dealing with people who have a million things to take care of and have divided focus.
We have to understand their point of view as well in order to sell the idea to them.
as said, the petition has a length limit, and we actually already reached that. So any further detail will be shared during live events, media communications, interviews and ad-hoc materials prepared for the specific purpose (legislators vs ministry officials vs media vs general populace)
We have already legislators and public officials joining (as well as representatives from many chambers of commerce), as well as citizen signing. We need to reach the 5k to progress, so anyone who can and is willing to sign matters.
No it isn’t. The petition will go to the National Development Council. Then it will be forwarded to the Ministries with a stake in this. The most important one is the Ministry of the Interior. This is to the executive branch not the legislative branch.
We need a great turnout at tomorrow event including as many Taiwanese people as possible to reassure the legislators who will be attending that this is a good idea. We need to start somewhere. Here. Now.
A petition largely aimed for foreigners with most UI in Chinese does not make sense. I’m a software engineer and fluent in Chinese as well and still the UI/UX made my brain hurt, and now I see a guideline here on how to sign an online form
I’m sorry but making it so hard to sign a form won’t get us to 5k signatures.
Well I think they need 5k signatures from TW nationals so that should be their target audience to convince. 5k signatures from complaining foreigners may just piss them off and get no where.
Also it may help our cause if using the official language since this is about foreigners wanting to naturalize, and foreigners who cant navigate the local language aren’t good candidates for naturalization anyways.
(PS Yeah I signed after finding out it can go over 5k)
We can’t control the deficiencies in the platform’s interface. In Taiwan, any advocacy group that wants to petition the overnment in effect must use the Join platform. Through it, petitions can reach the government and have laws/regulations requiring a formal response when certain threshholds are met.
The instructions in English are for foreign national residents who are not literate in Chinese.
People who are literate in Chinese will be able to use the platform. They do it all the time. The instructions are not for them.
Yep to all you said, that’s what it is. Have yet to find a gov website here that doesn’t suck.
The 5k threshold is to trigger a formal response from the gov, anything above will give more “face to it”, anything below won’t warrant any official action/reply.
But this petition is just a part of the overall strategy we will deploy.
It’s going to be a hard battle, but these battles r the ones worth fighting!
I’m literate in Chinese and can ready every word on the website but still having a hard time signing the form. I signed in with Google (OAuth) and the website wants to “verify my email” before I submit a form. I tried to verify through “send verification email” route to no avail. The option to verify phone number also did not work for me.
I guess I need to register a new account instead of using OIDC
